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35. Morning Plum: "Obamacare ‘horror stories’ fall apart under scrutiny."

Mon Apr 14, 2014, 07:22 AM

Apr 2014

Sad that we have only your word for this scenario. Not saying it isn't true, but most of these stories fall apart when held up to the light of day.

After Getting Pummelled By Fact Checkers Koch Brothers Dump Obamacare Horror Story Ads
By: Jason Easley
Tuesday, March, 18th, 2014, 2:08 pm

The Koch brothers spent millions of dollars on ads that focused on bogus ACA horror stories, but after being eviscerated by fact checkers, the Koch boys have changed their course.

The infamous cancer Obamacare victim ad that Sarah Jones described as, “An ad so misleading that even conservatives won’t back its Obamacare claims. In the Americans for Prosperity ad aimed at destroying Michigan Democratic Senate candidate Rep. Gary Peters, Julie Boonstra inaccurately claims that Obamacare is threatening her cancer treatment and that it “jeopardized my health.”

Because of the negative backlash, it appears that the Koch brothers are trying a new approach. Instead of claiming that the ACA will literally kill you, Koch money is now being spent on ads that argue that the law doesn’t work.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/18/pummelled-fact-checkers-koch-brothers-dump-obamacare-horror-story-ads.html

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If You Can Stop Circling the Wagons Around the ACA, There is Someone I Would Like You To Meet [View all] McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 OP

Who is preventing the holes in the ACA from being fixed? Republicans or Democrats? KittyWampus Apr 2014 #1

It's OBAMA's FAULT....that RICK PERRY is an ASSHOLE. MADem Apr 2014 #5

Exactly, if OP wants to draw the line on issues with Democratic thinking, blaming Democrats for GOP stevenleser Apr 2014 #54

it IS obama's fault he is black. or is parents fault. presidenting while black. pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #111

AMEN!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2014 #140

This kind of stuff really ticks me off. MADem Apr 2014 #129

The author H2O Man Apr 2014 #138

It's not "framing", it's trolling. Over and over again. tridim Apr 2014 #126

When I see it now, I call bullshit on it. MADem Apr 2014 #128

This needless death isn't from the ACA; it's because WhiteTara Apr 2014 #2

I don't think anyone thinks the ACA is perfect Egnever Apr 2014 #3

I share your anger, and her fear. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2014 #4

I benefit from the ACA. I also don't think that it is the end all and be all of healthcare. 4lbs Apr 2014 #6

The first person to receive a monthly Social Security check was a woman Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #38

Social Security was never for white men only. SheilaT Apr 2014 #60

Thank you for giving a damn about Opal... grasswire Apr 2014 #7

Why don't you write to your governor and tell him to fix it? He CAN, you know. MADem Apr 2014 #8

Evidently it was a hit and run piece at kos as well. Rex Apr 2014 #73

Ahhhhhh! One of those!!! I'll bet "Opal" lives next door to "Harry and Louise!" MADem Apr 2014 #75

I grieve for Opal. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #9

+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #10

Well said, thank you. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #11

Hello SunSeeker. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #13

Obama should have allowed the single payer advocates to participate in the meetings JDPriestly Apr 2014 #18

That ain't why we didn't get single payer. And it ain't why "Opal" is hurting. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #19

I wasn't arguing that we could have gotten single-payer. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #66

Would her Deductible have been less under the bronze plan magically in California? Dragonfli Apr 2014 #67

Opal would be covered by medicaid in CA. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #87

No, slang is certainly allowed, I just find it is often a sign of a complete lack of education Dragonfli Apr 2014 #88

No, the bronze plan does not suck compared to being uninsured. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #89

It does suck if it can't be used Dragonfli Apr 2014 #100

The bronze plan absolutely can be used by people it was designed for. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #102

Oh, and "ain't" can certainly be used when the mood strikes us.. no matter what Cha Apr 2014 #121

Yes, and "ain't" passes the DU "Check Spelling" button! LOL SunSeeker Apr 2014 #135

Ain't is a word...it's in the dictionary, too. MADem Apr 2014 #107

I was taught differently in school, but then again they also did not teach creationism here Dragonfli Apr 2014 #113

They don't teach creationism in UK, either--and at least one of those dictionaries is British. MADem Apr 2014 #116

Yes, because their presence would have "magically" overcome GOP objections. MADem Apr 2014 #106

Of course, their presence would not have magically overcome GOP objections. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #114

Had he done as you suggest, those naysayers would have picked MADem Apr 2014 #115

I agree that ACA is simply one step on the road. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #117

All you have to do is look to history. Obama did, and that's why he took the path he took. MADem Apr 2014 #118

Then what did you bring up Obama's negotiating skills for? treestar Apr 2014 #137

Oh bullshit on your.. "Obama did not have the courage to do".. you have no idea the kind of courage Cha Apr 2014 #123

SheShe I am finally beginning to understand why a certain cadre here absolutely despises the BOG Number23 Apr 2014 #85

... sheshe2 Apr 2014 #130

The problem with denial is zeemike Apr 2014 #12

It IS Perry's fault. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #27

No it is the doctors fault zeemike Apr 2014 #43

Funny you talk about "Denial" and "Reality" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #79

Does everything requirer a sarcasm tag? zeemike Apr 2014 #86

To say nothing of "the Democrats" like they're a foreign entity.... nt MADem Apr 2014 #109

Saying it's "the system" lets Perry off the hook. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #90

No it does not let Perry off the hook. zeemike Apr 2014 #97

Rightfully blaming Perry is not a "distraction"...unless you're Perry. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #98

Unless you want to blame Perry for the shortcomings of the ACA. zeemike Apr 2014 #99

Perry denied her care, not "shortcomings of the ACA." nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #101

Perry is a distraction.... sheshe2 Apr 2014 #125

so Perry being a supporter of private free markets with no regulation is not a problem ? JI7 Apr 2014 #29

It appears nobody gets how low income workers can't afford to use the insurance Dragonfli Apr 2014 #68

I get it because I know poor people zeemike Apr 2014 #74

This is just too sad Samantha Apr 2014 #14

I think most of the replies miss the point... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #15

Not to mention that we already knew the Republicans are assholes. We expected no less GoneFishin Apr 2014 #40

I think you "miss the point". "Medicare" isn't even being debated here. It's Medicaid. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #69

Honestly, I meant Medicaid. Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #70

Thank you for your reminder, MT, that there is so much more to be done. pnwmom Apr 2014 #16

The ACA is far from providing universal healthcare at reasonable prices. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #17

Here in Massachusetts BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #20

Links? What do these "healthcare experts" suggest we do? SunSeeker Apr 2014 #23

Yeah BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #24

Yeah. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #26

Well to be fair BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #28

Of course there need to be changes. But you are not being fair. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #30

Don't be so defensive BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #31

Stop projecting. And that is not what you said. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #92

Jesus man BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #94

Don't like being called out? Don't make stuff up. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #103

and when Doctor_J Apr 2014 #49

There was a minor change implemented in March and April. So no, it wont be decades. stevenleser Apr 2014 #52

Why do people always think incrementalism runs in a progressive direction? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #65

Why do you think that change will happen overnight!??! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #131

Just giving the model of the theory BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #133

Well, change happened overnight under George W. Bush... derby378 Apr 2014 #139

Well, golly gee, I was in a Mass General ICU yesterday at the bedside of a very ill relative, MADem Apr 2014 #57

Yeah, I was being imprecise BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #95

Was the professor sitting in a faculty chair endowed by the Koch Brothers? MADem Apr 2014 #104

No BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #105

Your "circling the wagons" title suggests Dems are ignoring people the GOP governors are killing. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #21

Perry forced her from the clinic to the exchanges.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #22

It depends on your state. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #25

Rick Perry's lap OR Chief Justice Roberts' lap? Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #32

Perry. Roberts will not be facing election. jeff47 Apr 2014 #58

Roberts did not make Perry do it. It is in Perry's lap. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #91

Rick Perry is trying to kill her? ProSense Apr 2014 #39

Ahem.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #42

"I guess the question now is who told the county this." ProSense Apr 2014 #50

Ah, but that would mean going against the 'tough guy' GOP instead of the 'weak' Dems. I've seen how freshwest Apr 2014 #63

Thank you, Sunseeker. Cha Apr 2014 #122

i support the ACA because its the best thing that sad congress could approve. we should have dionysus Apr 2014 #33

First time insured are the constituency who will eventually get us single payer IronLionZion Apr 2014 #34

Morning Plum: "Obamacare ‘horror stories’ fall apart under scrutiny." Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #35

The information about the bronze plan has been available from the day plans were available. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #36

Maine's GOP Governor Vetoes Medicaid Expansion For Third Time ProSense Apr 2014 #37

This is posted at Daily Kos: ProSense Apr 2014 #41

Thanks for digging that up ProSense. Seems the o.p. vanished, and isn't taking questions. The..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #71

Posted on two sites and didn't respond to comments/feedback in either. That is too weird Number23 Apr 2014 #84

Weird? Or Predictable? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #132

I had similar results in Nebraska and was vociferously attacked for raising the point. ReverendDeuce Apr 2014 #44

I don't think any of us are... Adrahil Apr 2014 #46

These kinds of articles piss me off. Adrahil Apr 2014 #45

It's some of them, in collusion with the Republicans. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #53

They blew an epic opportunity in 2009-2010, and the fan club has become too emotionally committed Doctor_J Apr 2014 #47

Really? ProSense Apr 2014 #51

Your fantasies do not an opportunity make. jeff47 Apr 2014 #61

This has nothing to do with "circling the wagons around the ACA" Skinner Apr 2014 #48

Well put, but a shame this even needs to be said. stevenleser Apr 2014 #55

Bingo. nt MADem Apr 2014 #56

THANK! YOU! Seems the o.p. dropped this on us, and ran for the exits? Hasn't responded once. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #64

I don't think there's any real response to our objections to this turd of a tale. MADem Apr 2014 #76

Surely, no one would waste their time & ours, making this shit up, right?????!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #81

Indeed... MADem Apr 2014 #82

It stretches credulity, and after I read ProSense's response, I knew this story was pure unadultered Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #83

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #136

How about the bigger situation which has always been health care for all? Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #77

Still 30 million without in 2024 Doctor_J Apr 2014 #78

Yeah, well President Obama didn't have a magic wand.. so sad for all of us. Cha Apr 2014 #124

Thank you Skinner! SCOTUS is the source of most of opur problems today. Why 2014 elections kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #96

I think the OP was referring to people who don't believe or even want to discuss these stories. Blue Diadem Apr 2014 #110

Thank you, Skinner. Cha Apr 2014 #120

so it's the ACA's/Dems' fault? No, it's Rick Perry's and the GOP's fault wordpix Apr 2014 #59

I don't understand why they didn't choose a Silver Plan. Walk away Apr 2014 #62

A hit and run post about the ACA, doesn't surprise me none. Rex Apr 2014 #72

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #93

The ACA is not enough. Better than doing nothing, but still insufficient. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #80

73 people recced this thread without realizing it was a hit-and-run post scheming daemons Apr 2014 #108

Yup. How does that saying go? "You can fool some of the people all of the time...." SunSeeker Apr 2014 #112

That's a drop in the bucket of the ignorance permeating around here. Cha Apr 2014 #119

I looked at the rec list, turns out I didn't have to. All the usual suspects are there. tridim Apr 2014 #127

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #134

The OP has 13,000+ posts. BlueCheese Apr 2014 #141