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In reply to the discussion: If You Can Stop Circling the Wagons Around the ACA, There is Someone I Would Like You To Meet [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)63. Ah, but that would mean going against the 'tough guy' GOP instead of the 'weak' Dems. I've seen how
this works.
IRL, the people willing to make government work, when they are being starved of the funds to make such work; the ones who try to get anything passed that can be labeled socialism going, are met with death threats from baggers, Glenn Beck and Infowars fans (as ALL of my Democratic elected officials and ALL generations of their families were, and eventually sent to jail - yes, they were that serious) and going to town meetings where the baggers, CTers, larourchies and libertarians let them know that they hate them so much that they will not even allow them to discuss social programs and this in a blue state; where the real plan being pushed by the right is so much worse than anyone imagines, and puts their hands over their eyes and ears and pretends it doesn't exist and hasn't already eaten the walls of the social safety net; and in Texas, where their Senator wanted the entire federal government to DEFAULT so the lady in question would not have a place to live, food to eat or any medical care, PERIOD.
Let's not look at that, since it's a scary thing to confront, so let's keep whipping the help, because it's what the tough guy GOP taught them to do to be popular. That's really going to change things for the better. Willful ignorance is the quick solution to anything, as it doesn't require any work.
Those who want to see what is going on need to take a read at what the powerful in Texas and other states that not only eviscerated their previous social safety net under Ann Richards, and are just as reluctant IRL as on online, to say anything to get progressive change are really doing. Some pretend the powerful people are not the cause of the problem, because it's convenient to find the same enemy as the GOP does always. Hey, Obama, Democrats and government, you are a slow moving target, so let's practice taking potshots.
Some useful information follows about what we're up against here, which is the brainwashing of the nation and creates a comfort zone to attack anything that the Democrats do.
But where from the mental landscape dominated by Perry, Cruz and the rest, not just Texas, are the bitter complaints against terrorizing those on Social Security, public workers, women and minority rights?
Oh, I know, those are small things and they didn't wear the Democrats out one little bit fighting.
Except they did stop them, didn't they:
Rand Paul says default can be 'framed as a reasonable idea' and Tom Coburn wants to default to face a 'managed catastrophe.'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3820816
Where are the ones calling for changes for the elderly, poor and disabled in this platform, sweeping Texas, the red states and even savaging blue ones. We can try to find link from MSM, or a popular radio show that pipes it daily to the heads of millions like Rush, FNN, Infowars, etc. Except there is no such thing.
This is a national plan, and some don't want to fight. As far as the lady in question. how will she fare under the coming system, promoted by the cool, hip crowd:
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.
We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.
We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.
We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.
We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.
We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.
We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.
We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.
As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.
We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.
We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.
We condemn compulsory education laws and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.
We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.
We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.
We support abolition of the Department of Energy.
We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.
We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.
We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.
We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.
We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.
We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.
We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and aid to the poor programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.
We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.
We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.
We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
We support the repeal of all state usury laws.
In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
Note, the lady in question will be left out in the cold and the Governor doesn't care, but somehow this draconian platform does not generate much outrage from those who focus on Obama and perceived failures in this milieau, caused by not electing more Democrats who believe in providing health care.
Having lived in Texas a good deal of my life, I saw it go to hell under the Shrub's watch, and knew what was being stolen upclose as Dittoheads and complainers did nothing but repeat the memes and complain. Meh.
Thanks for your words, I'm not that succinct, but I want people to see information, Sunseeker.
IRL, the people willing to make government work, when they are being starved of the funds to make such work; the ones who try to get anything passed that can be labeled socialism going, are met with death threats from baggers, Glenn Beck and Infowars fans (as ALL of my Democratic elected officials and ALL generations of their families were, and eventually sent to jail - yes, they were that serious) and going to town meetings where the baggers, CTers, larourchies and libertarians let them know that they hate them so much that they will not even allow them to discuss social programs and this in a blue state; where the real plan being pushed by the right is so much worse than anyone imagines, and puts their hands over their eyes and ears and pretends it doesn't exist and hasn't already eaten the walls of the social safety net; and in Texas, where their Senator wanted the entire federal government to DEFAULT so the lady in question would not have a place to live, food to eat or any medical care, PERIOD.
Let's not look at that, since it's a scary thing to confront, so let's keep whipping the help, because it's what the tough guy GOP taught them to do to be popular. That's really going to change things for the better. Willful ignorance is the quick solution to anything, as it doesn't require any work.
Those who want to see what is going on need to take a read at what the powerful in Texas and other states that not only eviscerated their previous social safety net under Ann Richards, and are just as reluctant IRL as on online, to say anything to get progressive change are really doing. Some pretend the powerful people are not the cause of the problem, because it's convenient to find the same enemy as the GOP does always. Hey, Obama, Democrats and government, you are a slow moving target, so let's practice taking potshots.
Some useful information follows about what we're up against here, which is the brainwashing of the nation and creates a comfort zone to attack anything that the Democrats do.
But where from the mental landscape dominated by Perry, Cruz and the rest, not just Texas, are the bitter complaints against terrorizing those on Social Security, public workers, women and minority rights?
Oh, I know, those are small things and they didn't wear the Democrats out one little bit fighting.
Rand Paul says default can be 'framed as a reasonable idea' and Tom Coburn wants to default to face a 'managed catastrophe.'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3820816
Where are the ones calling for changes for the elderly, poor and disabled in this platform, sweeping Texas, the red states and even savaging blue ones. We can try to find link from MSM, or a popular radio show that pipes it daily to the heads of millions like Rush, FNN, Infowars, etc. Except there is no such thing.
This is a national plan, and some don't want to fight. As far as the lady in question. how will she fare under the coming system, promoted by the cool, hip crowd:
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.
We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.
We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.
We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.
We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.
We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.
We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.
We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.
As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.
We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.
We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.
We condemn compulsory education laws and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.
We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.
We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.
We support abolition of the Department of Energy.
We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.
We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.
We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.
We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.
We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.
We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.
We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and aid to the poor programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.
We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.
We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.
We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
We support the repeal of all state usury laws.
In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
Note, the lady in question will be left out in the cold and the Governor doesn't care, but somehow this draconian platform does not generate much outrage from those who focus on Obama and perceived failures in this milieau, caused by not electing more Democrats who believe in providing health care.
Having lived in Texas a good deal of my life, I saw it go to hell under the Shrub's watch, and knew what was being stolen upclose as Dittoheads and complainers did nothing but repeat the memes and complain. Meh.
Thanks for your words, I'm not that succinct, but I want people to see information, Sunseeker.
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If You Can Stop Circling the Wagons Around the ACA, There is Someone I Would Like You To Meet [View all]
McCamy Taylor
Apr 2014
OP
Who is preventing the holes in the ACA from being fixed? Republicans or Democrats?
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#1
Exactly, if OP wants to draw the line on issues with Democratic thinking, blaming Democrats for GOP
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#54
it IS obama's fault he is black. or is parents fault. presidenting while black.
pansypoo53219
Apr 2014
#111
I benefit from the ACA. I also don't think that it is the end all and be all of healthcare.
4lbs
Apr 2014
#6
Obama should have allowed the single payer advocates to participate in the meetings
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#18
That ain't why we didn't get single payer. And it ain't why "Opal" is hurting.
SunSeeker
Apr 2014
#19
Would her Deductible have been less under the bronze plan magically in California?
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#67
No, slang is certainly allowed, I just find it is often a sign of a complete lack of education
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#88
I was taught differently in school, but then again they also did not teach creationism here
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#113
They don't teach creationism in UK, either--and at least one of those dictionaries is British.
MADem
Apr 2014
#116
Of course, their presence would not have magically overcome GOP objections.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#114
All you have to do is look to history. Obama did, and that's why he took the path he took.
MADem
Apr 2014
#118
Oh bullshit on your.. "Obama did not have the courage to do".. you have no idea the kind of courage
Cha
Apr 2014
#123
SheShe I am finally beginning to understand why a certain cadre here absolutely despises the BOG
Number23
Apr 2014
#85
so Perry being a supporter of private free markets with no regulation is not a problem ?
JI7
Apr 2014
#29
It appears nobody gets how low income workers can't afford to use the insurance
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#68
Not to mention that we already knew the Republicans are assholes. We expected no less
GoneFishin
Apr 2014
#40
I think you "miss the point". "Medicare" isn't even being debated here. It's Medicaid.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#69
There was a minor change implemented in March and April. So no, it wont be decades.
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#52
Why do people always think incrementalism runs in a progressive direction?
BlindTiresias
Apr 2014
#65
Well, golly gee, I was in a Mass General ICU yesterday at the bedside of a very ill relative,
MADem
Apr 2014
#57
Your "circling the wagons" title suggests Dems are ignoring people the GOP governors are killing.
SunSeeker
Apr 2014
#21
Ah, but that would mean going against the 'tough guy' GOP instead of the 'weak' Dems. I've seen how
freshwest
Apr 2014
#63
i support the ACA because its the best thing that sad congress could approve. we should have
dionysus
Apr 2014
#33
First time insured are the constituency who will eventually get us single payer
IronLionZion
Apr 2014
#34
The information about the bronze plan has been available from the day plans were available.
Ms. Toad
Apr 2014
#36
Thanks for digging that up ProSense. Seems the o.p. vanished, and isn't taking questions. The.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#71
Posted on two sites and didn't respond to comments/feedback in either. That is too weird
Number23
Apr 2014
#84
I had similar results in Nebraska and was vociferously attacked for raising the point.
ReverendDeuce
Apr 2014
#44
They blew an epic opportunity in 2009-2010, and the fan club has become too emotionally committed
Doctor_J
Apr 2014
#47
THANK! YOU! Seems the o.p. dropped this on us, and ran for the exits? Hasn't responded once.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#64
I don't think there's any real response to our objections to this turd of a tale.
MADem
Apr 2014
#76
Surely, no one would waste their time & ours, making this shit up, right?????!!!
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#81
It stretches credulity, and after I read ProSense's response, I knew this story was pure unadultered
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#83
How about the bigger situation which has always been health care for all?
Corruption Inc
Apr 2014
#77
Thank you Skinner! SCOTUS is the source of most of opur problems today. Why 2014 elections
kelliekat44
Apr 2014
#96
I think the OP was referring to people who don't believe or even want to discuss these stories.
Blue Diadem
Apr 2014
#110
The ACA is not enough. Better than doing nothing, but still insufficient.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#80
73 people recced this thread without realizing it was a hit-and-run post
scheming daemons
Apr 2014
#108
Yup. How does that saying go? "You can fool some of the people all of the time...."
SunSeeker
Apr 2014
#112