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freshwest

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63. Ah, but that would mean going against the 'tough guy' GOP instead of the 'weak' Dems. I've seen how
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 11:47 AM
Apr 2014
this works.

IRL, the people willing to make government work, when they are being starved of the funds to make such work; the ones who try to get anything passed that can be labeled socialism going, are met with death threats from baggers, Glenn Beck and Infowars fans (as ALL of my Democratic elected officials and ALL generations of their families were, and eventually sent to jail - yes, they were that serious) and going to town meetings where the baggers, CTers, larourchies and libertarians let them know that they hate them so much that they will not even allow them to discuss social programs and this in a blue state; where the real plan being pushed by the right is so much worse than anyone imagines, and puts their hands over their eyes and ears and pretends it doesn't exist and hasn't already eaten the walls of the social safety net; and in Texas, where their Senator wanted the entire federal government to DEFAULT so the lady in question would not have a place to live, food to eat or any medical care, PERIOD.

Let's not look at that, since it's a scary thing to confront, so let's keep whipping the help, because it's what the tough guy GOP taught them to do to be popular. That's really going to change things for the better. Willful ignorance is the quick solution to anything, as it doesn't require any work.

Those who want to see what is going on need to take a read at what the powerful in Texas and other states that not only eviscerated their previous social safety net under Ann Richards, and are just as reluctant IRL as on online, to say anything to get progressive change are really doing. Some pretend the powerful people are not the cause of the problem, because it's convenient to find the same enemy as the GOP does always. Hey, Obama, Democrats and government, you are a slow moving target, so let's practice taking potshots.

Some useful information follows about what we're up against here, which is the brainwashing of the nation and creates a comfort zone to attack anything that the Democrats do.

But where from the mental landscape dominated by Perry, Cruz and the rest, not just Texas, are the bitter complaints against terrorizing those on Social Security, public workers, women and minority rights?

Oh, I know, those are small things and they didn't wear the Democrats out one little bit fighting. Except they did stop them, didn't they:

Rand Paul says default can be 'framed as a reasonable idea' and Tom Coburn wants to default to face a 'managed catastrophe.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3820816

Where are the ones calling for changes for the elderly, poor and disabled in this platform, sweeping Texas, the red states and even savaging blue ones. We can try to find link from MSM, or a popular radio show that pipes it daily to the heads of millions like Rush, FNN, Infowars, etc. Except there is no such thing.

This is a national plan, and some don't want to fight. As far as the lady in question. how will she fare under the coming system, promoted by the cool, hip crowd:

Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”


In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

Note, the lady in question will be left out in the cold and the Governor doesn't care, but somehow this draconian platform does not generate much outrage from those who focus on Obama and perceived failures in this milieau, caused by not electing more Democrats who believe in providing health care.

Having lived in Texas a good deal of my life, I saw it go to hell under the Shrub's watch, and knew what was being stolen upclose as Dittoheads and complainers did nothing but repeat the memes and complain. Meh.

Thanks for your words, I'm not that succinct, but I want people to see information, Sunseeker.

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Who is preventing the holes in the ACA from being fixed? Republicans or Democrats? KittyWampus Apr 2014 #1
It's OBAMA's FAULT....that RICK PERRY is an ASSHOLE. MADem Apr 2014 #5
Exactly, if OP wants to draw the line on issues with Democratic thinking, blaming Democrats for GOP stevenleser Apr 2014 #54
it IS obama's fault he is black. or is parents fault. presidenting while black. pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #111
AMEN!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2014 #140
This kind of stuff really ticks me off. MADem Apr 2014 #129
The author H2O Man Apr 2014 #138
It's not "framing", it's trolling. Over and over again. tridim Apr 2014 #126
When I see it now, I call bullshit on it. MADem Apr 2014 #128
This needless death isn't from the ACA; it's because WhiteTara Apr 2014 #2
I don't think anyone thinks the ACA is perfect Egnever Apr 2014 #3
I share your anger, and her fear. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2014 #4
I benefit from the ACA. I also don't think that it is the end all and be all of healthcare. 4lbs Apr 2014 #6
The first person to receive a monthly Social Security check was a woman Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #38
Social Security was never for white men only. SheilaT Apr 2014 #60
Thank you for giving a damn about Opal... grasswire Apr 2014 #7
Why don't you write to your governor and tell him to fix it? He CAN, you know. MADem Apr 2014 #8
Evidently it was a hit and run piece at kos as well. Rex Apr 2014 #73
Ahhhhhh! One of those!!! I'll bet "Opal" lives next door to "Harry and Louise!" MADem Apr 2014 #75
I grieve for Opal. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #9
+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #10
Well said, thank you. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #11
Hello SunSeeker. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #13
Obama should have allowed the single payer advocates to participate in the meetings JDPriestly Apr 2014 #18
That ain't why we didn't get single payer. And it ain't why "Opal" is hurting. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #19
I wasn't arguing that we could have gotten single-payer. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #66
Would her Deductible have been less under the bronze plan magically in California? Dragonfli Apr 2014 #67
Opal would be covered by medicaid in CA. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #87
No, slang is certainly allowed, I just find it is often a sign of a complete lack of education Dragonfli Apr 2014 #88
No, the bronze plan does not suck compared to being uninsured. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #89
It does suck if it can't be used Dragonfli Apr 2014 #100
The bronze plan absolutely can be used by people it was designed for. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #102
Oh, and "ain't" can certainly be used when the mood strikes us.. no matter what Cha Apr 2014 #121
Yes, and "ain't" passes the DU "Check Spelling" button! LOL SunSeeker Apr 2014 #135
Ain't is a word...it's in the dictionary, too. MADem Apr 2014 #107
I was taught differently in school, but then again they also did not teach creationism here Dragonfli Apr 2014 #113
They don't teach creationism in UK, either--and at least one of those dictionaries is British. MADem Apr 2014 #116
Yes, because their presence would have "magically" overcome GOP objections. MADem Apr 2014 #106
Of course, their presence would not have magically overcome GOP objections. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #114
Had he done as you suggest, those naysayers would have picked MADem Apr 2014 #115
I agree that ACA is simply one step on the road. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #117
All you have to do is look to history. Obama did, and that's why he took the path he took. MADem Apr 2014 #118
Then what did you bring up Obama's negotiating skills for? treestar Apr 2014 #137
Oh bullshit on your.. "Obama did not have the courage to do".. you have no idea the kind of courage Cha Apr 2014 #123
SheShe I am finally beginning to understand why a certain cadre here absolutely despises the BOG Number23 Apr 2014 #85
... sheshe2 Apr 2014 #130
The problem with denial is zeemike Apr 2014 #12
It IS Perry's fault. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #27
No it is the doctors fault zeemike Apr 2014 #43
Funny you talk about "Denial" and "Reality" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #79
Does everything requirer a sarcasm tag? zeemike Apr 2014 #86
To say nothing of "the Democrats" like they're a foreign entity.... nt MADem Apr 2014 #109
Saying it's "the system" lets Perry off the hook. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #90
No it does not let Perry off the hook. zeemike Apr 2014 #97
Rightfully blaming Perry is not a "distraction"...unless you're Perry. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #98
Unless you want to blame Perry for the shortcomings of the ACA. zeemike Apr 2014 #99
Perry denied her care, not "shortcomings of the ACA." nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #101
Perry is a distraction.... sheshe2 Apr 2014 #125
so Perry being a supporter of private free markets with no regulation is not a problem ? JI7 Apr 2014 #29
It appears nobody gets how low income workers can't afford to use the insurance Dragonfli Apr 2014 #68
I get it because I know poor people zeemike Apr 2014 #74
This is just too sad Samantha Apr 2014 #14
I think most of the replies miss the point... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #15
Not to mention that we already knew the Republicans are assholes. We expected no less GoneFishin Apr 2014 #40
I think you "miss the point". "Medicare" isn't even being debated here. It's Medicaid. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #69
Honestly, I meant Medicaid. Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #70
Thank you for your reminder, MT, that there is so much more to be done. pnwmom Apr 2014 #16
The ACA is far from providing universal healthcare at reasonable prices. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #17
Here in Massachusetts BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #20
Links? What do these "healthcare experts" suggest we do? SunSeeker Apr 2014 #23
Yeah BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #24
Yeah. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #26
Well to be fair BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #28
Of course there need to be changes. But you are not being fair. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #30
Don't be so defensive BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #31
Stop projecting. And that is not what you said. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #92
Jesus man BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #94
Don't like being called out? Don't make stuff up. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #103
and when Doctor_J Apr 2014 #49
There was a minor change implemented in March and April. So no, it wont be decades. stevenleser Apr 2014 #52
Why do people always think incrementalism runs in a progressive direction? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #65
Why do you think that change will happen overnight!??! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #131
Just giving the model of the theory BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #133
Well, change happened overnight under George W. Bush... derby378 Apr 2014 #139
Well, golly gee, I was in a Mass General ICU yesterday at the bedside of a very ill relative, MADem Apr 2014 #57
Yeah, I was being imprecise BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #95
Was the professor sitting in a faculty chair endowed by the Koch Brothers? MADem Apr 2014 #104
No BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #105
Your "circling the wagons" title suggests Dems are ignoring people the GOP governors are killing. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #21
Perry forced her from the clinic to the exchanges.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #22
It depends on your state. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #25
Rick Perry's lap OR Chief Justice Roberts' lap? Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #32
Perry. Roberts will not be facing election. jeff47 Apr 2014 #58
Roberts did not make Perry do it. It is in Perry's lap. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #91
Rick Perry is trying to kill her? ProSense Apr 2014 #39
Ahem.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #42
"I guess the question now is who told the county this." ProSense Apr 2014 #50
Ah, but that would mean going against the 'tough guy' GOP instead of the 'weak' Dems. I've seen how freshwest Apr 2014 #63
Thank you, Sunseeker. Cha Apr 2014 #122
i support the ACA because its the best thing that sad congress could approve. we should have dionysus Apr 2014 #33
First time insured are the constituency who will eventually get us single payer IronLionZion Apr 2014 #34
Morning Plum: "Obamacare ‘horror stories’ fall apart under scrutiny." Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #35
The information about the bronze plan has been available from the day plans were available. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #36
Maine's GOP Governor Vetoes Medicaid Expansion For Third Time ProSense Apr 2014 #37
This is posted at Daily Kos: ProSense Apr 2014 #41
Thanks for digging that up ProSense. Seems the o.p. vanished, and isn't taking questions. The..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #71
Posted on two sites and didn't respond to comments/feedback in either. That is too weird Number23 Apr 2014 #84
Weird? Or Predictable? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #132
I had similar results in Nebraska and was vociferously attacked for raising the point. ReverendDeuce Apr 2014 #44
I don't think any of us are... Adrahil Apr 2014 #46
These kinds of articles piss me off. Adrahil Apr 2014 #45
It's some of them, in collusion with the Republicans. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #53
They blew an epic opportunity in 2009-2010, and the fan club has become too emotionally committed Doctor_J Apr 2014 #47
Really? ProSense Apr 2014 #51
Your fantasies do not an opportunity make. jeff47 Apr 2014 #61
This has nothing to do with "circling the wagons around the ACA" Skinner Apr 2014 #48
Well put, but a shame this even needs to be said. stevenleser Apr 2014 #55
Bingo. nt MADem Apr 2014 #56
THANK! YOU! Seems the o.p. dropped this on us, and ran for the exits? Hasn't responded once. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #64
I don't think there's any real response to our objections to this turd of a tale. MADem Apr 2014 #76
Surely, no one would waste their time & ours, making this shit up, right?????!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #81
Indeed... MADem Apr 2014 #82
It stretches credulity, and after I read ProSense's response, I knew this story was pure unadultered Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #83
+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #136
How about the bigger situation which has always been health care for all? Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #77
Still 30 million without in 2024 Doctor_J Apr 2014 #78
Yeah, well President Obama didn't have a magic wand.. so sad for all of us. Cha Apr 2014 #124
Thank you Skinner! SCOTUS is the source of most of opur problems today. Why 2014 elections kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #96
I think the OP was referring to people who don't believe or even want to discuss these stories. Blue Diadem Apr 2014 #110
Thank you, Skinner. Cha Apr 2014 #120
so it's the ACA's/Dems' fault? No, it's Rick Perry's and the GOP's fault wordpix Apr 2014 #59
I don't understand why they didn't choose a Silver Plan. Walk away Apr 2014 #62
A hit and run post about the ACA, doesn't surprise me none. Rex Apr 2014 #72
+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #93
The ACA is not enough. Better than doing nothing, but still insufficient. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #80
73 people recced this thread without realizing it was a hit-and-run post scheming daemons Apr 2014 #108
Yup. How does that saying go? "You can fool some of the people all of the time...." SunSeeker Apr 2014 #112
That's a drop in the bucket of the ignorance permeating around here. Cha Apr 2014 #119
I looked at the rec list, turns out I didn't have to. All the usual suspects are there. tridim Apr 2014 #127
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #134
The OP has 13,000+ posts. BlueCheese Apr 2014 #141
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