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treestar

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38. Do we know they will end up rewarded for it?

Mon Apr 14, 2014, 11:03 AM

Apr 2014

They've been doing it for years and so it's hard to think of it as of total importance. It's still a civil matter. The "reward" is but temporary, if you can call it that.

Hostage negotiators who talk the hostage taker out of the situation negotiate with him. And that's a violent act. This is just civil.

I can't see hoarded of militias doing the same thing. How many civil disputes are there out there with a nutcase willing to start something and enough followers with guns to show up? Unless this becomes a common occurrence, it's probably best they did as they did here.

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Never, EVER, give in to Bullies and Terrorists. [View all] riqster Apr 2014 OP

There's some logic there el_bryanto Apr 2014 #1

In this case, the unreasonable are in the saddle: riqster Apr 2014 #2

Yeah, let's send troops to Crimea NOW. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #3

Not what I said. riqster Apr 2014 #4

You're right! A bloodbath with a lot of dead people on both sides Lurks Often Apr 2014 #5

I'm sure the widows and families of the fallen officers would have fully understood. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #6

Everyone assumes the militia would have opened fire. riqster Apr 2014 #9

The decision to de-escalate the situation remains the correct one Lurks Often Apr 2014 #17

Again, I support not shooting. I do not support returning the cattle, riqster Apr 2014 #21

Is it complete capitulation? treestar Apr 2014 #26

It is capitulation. riqster Apr 2014 #29

So he'll be able to keep his cattle on that land forever? treestar Apr 2014 #40

That is the situation on the ground. riqster Apr 2014 #42

It's like legislation treestar Apr 2014 #47

I hope you are right. riqster Apr 2014 #51

They all took an oath to uphold the constitution from enemies WhiteTara Apr 2014 #7

Sure. The next time a hostage has a gun pointed at his/her head, just say goodbye. randome Apr 2014 #8

No guns were pointed at any heads. Only threats. riqster Apr 2014 #11

Next time a hostage has a gun pointed at his/her head Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #57

Then you approve moondust Apr 2014 #10

Not remotely similar. riqster Apr 2014 #12

But supposing one of them had gotten shot? treestar Apr 2014 #24

These are possible outcomes and worthy of consideration. riqster Apr 2014 #27

They aren't terrorists treestar Apr 2014 #41

The rancher, by allying himself with a domestic terror group, is employing terrorist means. riqster Apr 2014 #50

Which domestic terror group? treestar Apr 2014 #76

They are terrorists. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #54

SOCOM is always taking volunteers. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #65

I have no idea what you're even talking about. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #67

Well, thank Goodness you are here to defend the republic. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #68

I'm not defending the republic, just expressing an opinion. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #69

Violence? Like when they broke-up OWS? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #71

That's an interestiing point. riqster Apr 2014 #89

Partly Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #102

So they capitulated too? treestar Apr 2014 #78

I don't think Mr. Blunt and Cranky has been in that many fights since his grade school days aikoaiko Apr 2014 #13

Probably right. And also probably never served in anything like federal law enforcement, either. randome Apr 2014 #14

Backing away from a gunfight, OK. Giving back the cattle? Stupid. riqster Apr 2014 #15

lol - the link says "cattle rachner" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #16

I will take advice from Mr. Tzu sarisataka Apr 2014 #52

The BLM retreat will embolden the crazies. hollowdweller Apr 2014 #18

I always figured B&C was a parody site, now I know that it is -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #19

Factual rebuttals welcomed. riqster Apr 2014 #30

The fact is the author is guilty of the exact same thing it accuses others of being. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #34

Not convincing. riqster Apr 2014 #39

. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #44

Ugh, being a primitive caveman whose first answer is violence is not quinnox Apr 2014 #20

And when violence is directed upon you, what is your answer? riqster Apr 2014 #22

9/11 was directed at all Americans but I still suspect our response was an ill-considered one. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #28

In that case, we are in agreement. riqster Apr 2014 #31

I'd prefer to talk and negotiate over lobbing some nukes quinnox Apr 2014 #32

No shooting is good. Giving back the cattle, not so much. riqster Apr 2014 #37

Being able to say you were in the right is cold comfort when families are burying their dead pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #45

Possibly. But I contend that a defensive action is not equivalent to an offensive one. riqster Apr 2014 #49

Remember when Bush was in office and everything the neocons looked at was a terr'ism? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #25

No argument there. riqster Apr 2014 #33

If one of them had gotten killed treestar Apr 2014 #23

Non-violence is applauded. Rewarding the violent for their behavior is not. riqster Apr 2014 #35

Do we know they will end up rewarded for it? treestar Apr 2014 #38

He has already been rewarded. He is getting his cattle back, and will be grazing for free. riqster Apr 2014 #46

Did the actually point guns though? treestar Apr 2014 #74

Point of order. IronGate Apr 2014 #81

AP reports that BLM released "about" 400 pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #82

Now if the BLM set a bounty of $500 on each trespassing cow brought in... Hugin Apr 2014 #85

Thanks, I'd read somewhere that he only got 100 back. IronGate Apr 2014 #86

The greatest misfortune in this 2naSalit Apr 2014 #83

It stops being a civil matter Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #56

Who pointed a a gun? treestar Apr 2014 #75

Here... pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #80

Wonder if they'll have the guts to arrest that guy for that. JoeyT Apr 2014 #88

Who is he aiming at? treestar Apr 2014 #92

The BLM base was under the bridge on the opposite side of the armed mob. Hugin Apr 2014 #94

Love the fact you say Russia stole part of a foreign country... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #36

Very well, how about Reuters? riqster Apr 2014 #48

Obama wont risk angering filthy teaparty racists randys1 Apr 2014 #43

That sounds exactly like what a RWer expects a liberal to sound like. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #53

do you also call the person who POINTS OUT RACISM randys1 Apr 2014 #72

Lemme guess Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #73

Does anybody really think meanit Apr 2014 #55

Yah, that's part of my OP. Short term is one thing, long term another. riqster Apr 2014 #58

Wrong. You don't fight battles to win Pyrrhic victories. Strategy 101 LittleBlue Apr 2014 #59

Wrong back atcha. riqster Apr 2014 #60

I do not see capitulation LittleBlue Apr 2014 #61

It's not just grazing rights. Environmental considerations are in play. riqster Apr 2014 #63

What bloodbath? meanit Apr 2014 #66

I really would not have shed a tear if the militia men were killed by Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #62

I agree with the second part of your post, but not the first. riqster Apr 2014 #64

I'm pretty much in complete agreement. I wouldn't shed a tear either. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #70

You'd be in a big debate here on DU treestar Apr 2014 #77

People here get angry when unarmed people are shot or brutalized by the police Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #84

I didn't, I merely discussed the fact there are people treestar Apr 2014 #91

Been raised by a bully, I have Phlem Apr 2014 #79

How do you determine who the bullies were? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #87

The usual standard is that they use violence and the threats thereof to achieve their extralegal aim riqster Apr 2014 #90

So both sides are bullies? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #96

Oh, fuck no. riqster Apr 2014 #97

So if your threats of violence are legal, then you're not being a bully? ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #98

It's easy Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #99

Hey, that is pretty easy. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #100

The feds should use pics and videos to identify the armed teabaggers and tblue37 Apr 2014 #93

Here's hoping. riqster Apr 2014 #95

Yes, teaparty supporters should be in jail randys1 Apr 2014 #101

Truth: riqster Apr 2014 #103

ACA Benghazi Fast/Furious Cattle Food Stamps etc randys1 Apr 2014 #104