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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
194. What you perceive as their primary gripe is a bunch of bullshit.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:04 PM
Apr 2014

About 7% of divorced men have a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed.

Unfortunately for them, the MRA movement had hijacked that one issue.


What’s so wrong with those goals, you may well wonder. As Joyce illustrates, the issues MRAs are pushing are much more complex than they seem. For instance, divorcing parents are usually able to work out custody agreements on their own. Only 15 percent of cases go to court, and, of those, half involve domestic abuse. Tragically, even in those instances, mothers don’t always have the upper hand. A common family-court defense of fathers whose children testify that they are abusive is something called “Parental Alienation Syndrome,” “a medically unrecognized diagnosis that suggests mothers have poisoned their children into making false accusations against their fathers.” Joyce tells the story of Genia Shockome, a woman who spent 30 days in jail and whose husband was awarded full custody of their children, despite the fact that his abuse had left her with post-traumatic stress disorder. Incredibly, Shockome’s story doesn’t end there: After criticizing the judge’s decision in print, her attorney was slapped with a five-year suspension.

http://www.salon.com/2009/11/05/mens_rights/


I keep posting the truth about these frightening groups, but it seems few are interested in finding out what they're really about.

More: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/08/angry-men-feminist-agenda/
wow. that is something to be proud of. every discussion of woman, she is a tool for his use seabeyond Apr 2014 #1
The hate, resentment, chervilant Apr 2014 #2
By perusing the comments on some of the articles, you would be suprised boston bean Apr 2014 #27
for the left.... evo psych is the new religion in the name of science with the sole purpose to seabeyond Apr 2014 #41
In the same way that meteorology is the new religion of people who fire cannons to make it rain Scootaloo Apr 2014 #107
all of science is cursing it, because that is how it is being used. they had better damn well seabeyond Apr 2014 #108
I struggle to imagine myceology gives a damn, really Scootaloo Apr 2014 #110
i get that. i know that. and i call them out. until there is a handle on that, the science is seabeyond Apr 2014 #111
Wow CFLDem Apr 2014 #3
so, when we hear the same shit on du, we get pissed and call it out. to be clear. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #4
As you should Sea CFLDem Apr 2014 #5
NO Freakin' KIDDING!!!! calimary Apr 2014 #6
So you will call it out when you see feminists being accused of boston bean Apr 2014 #7
I call out all misogyny everywhere CFLDem Apr 2014 #8
was it you that told us street harassment was not that bad and your wife agreed? seabeyond Apr 2014 #9
Yes, I want to know the answer too. Because maybe, I am also misremembering. Maybe ... Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #11
i do want to add. even saying that, doing the very speaking out i am talking seabeyond Apr 2014 #10
Yes, and times like those makes times like this seem sarcastic to me. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #12
No sarcasm at all CFLDem Apr 2014 #13
They speak for MRA's. boston bean Apr 2014 #14
you have some imagination on you, you do. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #15
"Nanny superior" is quite telling, LOL. Steinem once said bettyellen Apr 2014 #16
That's the thing. Many of these same sentiments boston bean Apr 2014 #17
Way too many times. riqster Apr 2014 #46
All that they missed was the FemiNazi reference that Limpballs loves so much fasttense Apr 2014 #18
What's wrong with polygamy? CFLDem Apr 2014 #19
And this would be us thinking something nefarious is up. Maybe it is purely lack of knowledge, seabeyond Apr 2014 #21
How does polygamy CFLDem Apr 2014 #23
Google women/feminist objection to polygamy. Educate yourself. Nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #26
So enthusiastic consent CFLDem Apr 2014 #29
so... you refuse to educate yourself yet want a conversation? seabeyond Apr 2014 #42
Actually I constantly educate myself CFLDem Apr 2014 #52
no. it is not cutting edge. it is old, tired. and it is fail. cutting edge? fourth wave. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #57
Fourth wave? CFLDem Apr 2014 #60
i found you in the fifth. men defining. interesting. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #63
You are living In a fantasy world. fasttense Apr 2014 #88
Exactly. There's how we'd *like* things to be, and how things actually are. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #127
There are too many people that watch the reality shows about these "happy" polygamous families.... blueamy66 Apr 2014 #213
a-ha - Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #30
right on.... i am off seabeyond Apr 2014 #47
A 15 year old girl can not provide enthusiastic consent fasttense Apr 2014 #86
It means that women have a right to choose... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #87
so, OhioJoe had your number. got it. seabeyond Apr 2014 #90
Or rape? BainsBane Apr 2014 #118
It always leads to child and spouse abuse when in practice. fasttense Apr 2014 #85
a man should be able to have as many wives as he can amass. seabeyond Apr 2014 #92
I was being facetious fasttense Apr 2014 #94
thank you thank you THANK YOU..... seabeyond Apr 2014 #96
Way to change the subject. CFLDem Apr 2014 #100
hence, me telling you to educate yourself on polygamy so you can see what the issue is. seabeyond Apr 2014 #102
Poly relationships in themselves are fine. It's allowing a wealthy man to amass as many wives nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #128
This 'amassing' wives concept is interesting. CFLDem Apr 2014 #135
I don't think of it that way either. But it's hard to separate a wealthy man having many wives nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #138
Well everything is property to a wealthy person CFLDem Apr 2014 #141
Short answer: there are differences between polyamory and polygamy LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #139
Thank you for that. CFLDem Apr 2014 #143
Rush calls women he doesn't agree with feminazis, others call men that don't agree with MRA (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #50
Calling someone a "feminazi" is nothing like calling someone an "MRA" redqueen Apr 2014 #101
The idea is simply The Straight Story Apr 2014 #103
would that be like saying .... da doors, to many many womens issues brought up? nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #104
When men on DU post that sometimes when women say no, they really mean yes - that's MRA bullshit. redqueen Apr 2014 #106
But you are assigning something The Straight Story Apr 2014 #109
If they are not aware of mra talking points, then making them aware seabeyond Apr 2014 #117
What does that even mean? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #120
when someone comes on this site and says democrats give all the money to the poor. we educate and seabeyond Apr 2014 #152
And who defines this? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #156
Nope. "Feminazi" demonizes feminists by comparing them to Nazis. redqueen Apr 2014 #193
and mra is a proper label at that. would be like limbaugh yelling at us... you feminists. ya. ok. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #195
Yep. One is a pejorative and the other is simply the correct term. redqueen Apr 2014 #198
They may be "a voice for men" but if I ever heard that on the radio, I'd turn it off. gtar100 Apr 2014 #20
AVFM is just one organization. Other, more insidious MRA groups redqueen Apr 2014 #54
Heartiste and Return of Kings are two of the worst examples I've seen. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #122
The out right lies the MRA's work so hard to get into the mainstream seem endless... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #22
That's it Joe. The denial of being one, but spouting the same talking points and sickness of an MRA. boston bean Apr 2014 #24
Exactly ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #45
It's jarring to see those who do things like redqueen Apr 2014 #62
street harassment, polgamy good, MRA, bad. but, i am told that is the fifth. seabeyond Apr 2014 #65
Yes, very true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #123
i have never heard a feminist say all men are rapists. even the most radical. i have heard many men seabeyond Apr 2014 #155
I still think there is something psychologically wrong with them (*graphic pic warning*) ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #25
Too many men are fed this too much in too much if their lives. Of course it is effective. seabeyond Apr 2014 #28
I know ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #32
better put a *graphic Pic warning* in your subject line, ism .... Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #31
Ok ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #35
This is a classic Rovian move... Out of Time Man Apr 2014 #33
welcome to DU, Out of Time Man Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #39
Thank You! Out of Time Man Apr 2014 #48
and i seabeyond Apr 2014 #55
Thank you for the warm welcome, seabeyond! Out of Time Man Apr 2014 #80
Welcome to DU! etherealtruth Apr 2014 #58
Thank You! Out of Time Man Apr 2014 #75
Now it's half past two alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #206
Thank you! Out of Time Man Apr 2014 #207
This is likely to piss people off, but I will say it anyway: riqster Apr 2014 #34
+1000 ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #36
"There is no room in a civilized world for "a little bit of MRA". Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #38
one accepts a little bit of dehumanizing propaganda, it empowers the propagandist seabeyond Apr 2014 #59
Thanks, Sea. riqster Apr 2014 #61
Precisely, because it's bigotry BainsBane Apr 2014 #116
S'truth. riqster Apr 2014 #119
Don't have any tolerance for MRAs, either. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #121
Absolutely. With you all the way. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #129
The MRA rhetoric equals the poor maligned white male schtick etherealtruth Apr 2014 #37
It's an unintended consequence of privilege: riqster Apr 2014 #40
.... that is exactly the way I see it etherealtruth Apr 2014 #43
I have never cared for the whole notion of competing hfojvt Apr 2014 #72
You have a point about cooperation ... etherealtruth Apr 2014 #79
As usual... a decent concept taken to the extreme by a relatively small percentage of nutters... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #44
It started with custody battles ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #51
And what is this 'decent concept'? Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #53
I usually default to the custody issues... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #73
Sensative? No... I am just curious how much misogyny you think is ok... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #76
I gave very a specific example... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #84
ooh, deflecting with very personal insults. aren't you a champ at debate? stop imaging a tone and bettyellen Apr 2014 #95
Specific? All you said was "custody issues" and "others"... That could be many things Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #98
here is another really good example. polygamy. YEA!!! you are good joe seabeyond Apr 2014 #91
Yeah... They are not very good at hiding... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #99
Even if they might have an occasional valid point, we don't need them to make it. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #130
Sorry but that's intellectual laziness... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #134
We can make those valid points with no need for MRA's to do it. That's what I meant. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #136
How satisfied would you be. Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #140
I'm a man myself. And I really don't get your point. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #144
My point is that no feminist worth her salt... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #146
The problem is they blame feminism for things that aren't feminists' fault at all. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #150
Not at all... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #151
that is not factually true. factually, the majority of fathers do not want primary custody. that seabeyond Apr 2014 #163
Why isn't someone talking about it? Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #189
the problem, yoru point is hollow. empty. worthless. MRA use is to harass, hate, bully, women, seabeyond Apr 2014 #191
MRAs formed mainly as a way to oppose feminism davidn3600 Apr 2014 #205
Feminism is just as misguided as MRAs? redqueen Apr 2014 #209
Just my opinion davidn3600 Apr 2014 #210
"Stuff like "rape culture" I find to be mostly nonsense" redqueen Apr 2014 #214
your post sounds like it is reasoned, but, there is too much wrong to really address seabeyond Apr 2014 #215
What you perceive as their primary gripe is a bunch of bullshit. redqueen Apr 2014 #194
yes you do. as does others. i knew the info was there. thanks for providing. it truly is a strawman. seabeyond Apr 2014 #196
Well not completely. There are those few dads who really do get a raw deal. redqueen Apr 2014 #197
The problem is that "MRA" is used as a catch-all title to silence discussion. nt Bonobo Apr 2014 #147
I've never used it that way. If others do, then that's their problem, not yours or mine. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #149
Well you sort of just did. Bonobo Apr 2014 #153
I don't consider the Men's Group an MRA group. If I did, I wouldn't bother to read/post nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #157
Fair enough. Bonobo Apr 2014 #159
Any male who thinks feminism is the cause of their woes is an MRA boston bean Apr 2014 #161
I think that depends on what is really happening. Bonobo Apr 2014 #165
Why have you decided who is a feminist? boston bean Apr 2014 #169
We are not discussing rape culture here. This sub-thread has to do with using the term MRA Bonobo Apr 2014 #172
Hey when someone thinks feminists are oppressing them boston bean Apr 2014 #174
Might it be worth pondering why certain people are so "angry"? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #164
I can understand it. It doesn't change things. Bonobo Apr 2014 #166
You may be right. And I would never say you shouldn't defend yourself when attacked. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #168
No, it is the use of MRA tactics and ideas that lead to much of the angst. boston bean Apr 2014 #170
I agree those sorts of talking points don't belong on DU. Absolutely. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #171
And on the flip side of that The Straight Story Apr 2014 #173
It's a discussion about the effect the culture has on women. boston bean Apr 2014 #175
The thing is, you only NOTICE derailments. Bonobo Apr 2014 #176
hmmm... maybe some self reflection would be a good idea. boston bean Apr 2014 #178
Indeed, it is a discussion The Straight Story Apr 2014 #180
When you find yourself on a different side on almost all issues boston bean Apr 2014 #181
And it looks like your bad behavior has earned you a two-month vacation. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #199
Alerted!!!! bravenak Apr 2014 #200
Heh. Not a bit surprised at the alert. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #201
MRA = some kind of secret code word? A shiboleth? Do share, please. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #49
Men's Rights Activist riqster Apr 2014 #56
And if we are oppressed, it's by other men, not women. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #131
Very true! riqster Apr 2014 #154
MRA seems like a sad fringe. Never heard the term except here on DU. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #64
they are in our police force. they are in our govt telling us to put an aspirin between our knees. seabeyond Apr 2014 #67
Lesbian separstists aren't a threat to men. MRA's, on the other hand... redqueen Apr 2014 #68
I feel sick. xmas74 Apr 2014 #66
No. Arrogant, authoritarian conservative males have been fucking up the world since the dawn of Zorra Apr 2014 #69
+ a bazillion nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #132
I sort-of agree with the third one Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #70
There are groups for men that promote a healthy masculinity ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #74
Thank you Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #82
as a feminist mother of two boys, i absolutely embraced and embrace still seabeyond Apr 2014 #78
Sadly, I agree with that Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #81
My Senator TNNurse Apr 2014 #71
While I fight for equality for all... DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #77
That may sometimes be true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #124
Yes I understand the sad truth, as I stated, I simply ask that people understand both sides. DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #142
Except the idea that men are naturally more violent doesn't come from feminism. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #133
Men are not NATURALLY more violent, they may have more ability to act on their violent feelings... DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #145
I was talking about assumptions, not actualities. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #148
I see, I guess I just didn't understand what you were trying to say. DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #160
Sure it does. Try posting the data on reciprocal IPV and see who objects. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #202
Women are still much more likely to be seriously injured or killed by an intimate partner. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #203
That part is uncontroversial. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #208
Fair enough. I'm just not sure you're putting blame in the right place. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #212
"Don't be that girl"? Really? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #83
It's not about a profession BainsBane Apr 2014 #115
Nope. Never wondered. Maedhros Apr 2014 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Apr 2014 #93
You don't need to announce it in every thread you trash, FYI. It's not a requirement and laundry_queen Apr 2014 #97
LOL Skittles Apr 2014 #113
I think it's an ismism. pintobean Apr 2014 #114
kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2014 #105
MRAs really got going with issues involving family law...that is how it started davidn3600 Apr 2014 #112
There may be some truth but honestly, I think you've overstated it to a good degree. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #125
I know that any time a man speaks on this DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #126
Amen CFLDem Apr 2014 #137
Well said! Raksha Apr 2014 #158
By posting this you are reinforcing what the MRA's are talking about Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #162
really? women should never talk about anything cause that makes them attention seekers? brilliant. seabeyond Apr 2014 #167
No, but scouring the internet for a photo that makes you personally mad and then raising that Bonobo Apr 2014 #177
i did nothing. you will have to ask BB the effort she went to create the OP. scouring? lol. seabeyond Apr 2014 #179
I'm sorry you can't appreciate the seriousness of rape culture CFLDem Apr 2014 #183
MRA morons who promote rape culture? Bonobo Apr 2014 #186
It certainly doesn't stop you from posting MRA talking points. nt CFLDem Apr 2014 #187
If the photos do not mean so much DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #211
I know, Sea! CFLDem Apr 2014 #184
ok cfl.... seabeyond Apr 2014 #185
Yeah, that shit's posted in DU:GD 24/7. TransitJohn Apr 2014 #182
I can agree with the second-to-last one NickB79 Apr 2014 #188
I don't doubt that genuine "man-haters" exist, but they don't have enough power to really threaten nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #204
yeah, that's disgusting shit. but keep in mind, there's plenty of dudes who'd gladly get their asses dionysus Apr 2014 #190
Rise brothers! We will defeat teh evil Feminists that want rights and stuff!1!!!1 chrisa Apr 2014 #192
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