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20. Like on sarin gas

Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:11 PM

Apr 2014

The Red Line and the Rat Line - Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdogan and the Syrian rebels April 6, London Review of Book

Sorry, Kerry is using the Gulf of Tonkin trick and it has backfired.

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Triumph of the Ill - Ukraine Coup Leaders Turn on People [View all] autorank Apr 2014 OP

Oh for Christ's sake, are we still pretending these aren't Russian forces in masks? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #1

It's much easier for some people to throw conspiracy theorist crap against the wall.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #2

Conspiracies are usually secret autorank Apr 2014 #27

I know your heart, auto and admire it - you're wrong on this. They're trained military ops not blm Apr 2014 #31

Heart wise;) autorank Apr 2014 #36

I get the intention, but, tearing at Kerry for responding appropriately to Russia's aggression is blm Apr 2014 #46

Thanks, Michael. Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #51

Who provided the uniforms and weapons to the Kiev 'protesters'? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #98

This controversy is quite real. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #35

Just answer this autorank Apr 2014 #38

Doing what? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #39

Georga autorank Apr 2014 #44

Georgia was a bit more complex. But going back to Ukraine...... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #45

Georgia was a bit more complex than Ukraine? MattSh Apr 2014 #68

Ukraine is extremely simple. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #73

You mean speaking out, scheduling diplomatic conventions and using sanctions? karynnj Apr 2014 #91

Too bad your standard did not apply to pre-coup Ukraine. arendt Apr 2014 #57

You're framing things the way you want it to be framed. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #78

The conspiracy theory is that these are Russian forces in masks. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #69

The conspiracy theory.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #74

Below are facts from the article malaise Apr 2014 #75

The US doesn't need to spend any money to destabilize or create anti Russian sentiment in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #77

You may be correct... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #84

With all due respect, your opinion on political corruption matters nothing to Ukrainians. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #85

Again, you are most likely correct... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #88

We are still capable of analyzing the situation even if we are not Ukrainian. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #89

It is interesting... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #108

No. By all means, go forth and analyze all you want. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #110

Please don't put words in my mouth... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #114

About that $5 billion figure being bandied about and Neuland. It's rated 'Pants On Fire': freshwest May 2014 #116

Unfortunately, I don't think the CTers on here will listen. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #117

Thank you for this link, fresh! Finally some sanity to counter all the Cha May 2014 #118

There was a coup in Kiev. Did you miss it somehow? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #97

Victor Yanukovych choose to flee the country and go to Russia. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #99

He was driven from office, that is called a coup. Someone was in a hurry to avoid a country wide sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #101

Certainly you aren't claiming... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #104

We are not the world police autorank Apr 2014 #3

Still buying Putin's facsist bullshit meme are we? joeybee12 Apr 2014 #5

Putin is not my president autorank Apr 2014 #21

If you believe Sy Hersh on the chemical weapons in Syria, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #32

Hersh is just fine autorank Apr 2014 #41

I don't know what you're using for your info, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #50

Seriously...this expert knows more than hersh... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #62

...and Hersh is a journalist, not a weapons expert. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #71

Here is an article on the most recent UN report - they point to Assad - and they are experts karynnj Apr 2014 #92

Thanks karynnj Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #113

Going to spell out that lie, or just let it hang there? n/t arendt Apr 2014 #58

"We'd do the same if Russia had toppled Mexico with an anti American fascist government." Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #6

Uttterly incoherent. You said nothing. arendt Apr 2014 #59

Let me try to make it simple for you. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #72

+1 The Putin love is strong within some here...nt joeybee12 Apr 2014 #7

Who cares about Putin autorank Apr 2014 #22

If you really didn't you'd stop referring to the initial joeybee12 Apr 2014 #25

They tolerated molotov cocktail catapults and bulldozers cprise Apr 2014 #43

So the Right Sector and ..... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #66

Do you have any context as to the history of Ukraine and Russia? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #76

So, no one can deviate from the neocon party line, comrade? arendt Apr 2014 #60

You appear get rather petulant and irrational when people have different opinions than you LanternWaste Apr 2014 #83

There's having different opinions... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #87

Im guessing KGB. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #8

There's no evidence that they are. Xithras Apr 2014 #13

Sure, these aren't Russians taking over police stations and setting up "checkpoints". TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #14

Sure, they're ethnic Russians. Xithras Apr 2014 #16

They're the same "masked gunmen" who took over Crimea. Who were under TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #17

Again, got any links to back that up? Xithras Apr 2014 #23

Last week, the "locals" tried to take over some buildings, but didn't last long, TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #28

I don't think it's a "popular" uprising. Xithras Apr 2014 #30

When they start controlling roads, airports, other infrastructure, TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #33

NATO Secretary General concerned about escalation in eastern Ukraine muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #34

It's possible they may have even infiltrated Maidan by now as well(or at least helped to do so!). AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #55

Got something to prove that? Speculation is rampant we know on all sides of this, but a little sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #96

People are reliving their duck and cover years Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #4

Al Quada in Syria autorank Apr 2014 #18

Exactly jamzrockz Apr 2014 #81

Exactly. nt Union Scribe Apr 2014 #94

"Self-determination" only applies to people we can control and/or exploit. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #9

True autorank Apr 2014 #24

Believing that the Russian government Aerows Apr 2014 #10

It's not our business autorank Apr 2014 #19

I think it is davidpdx Apr 2014 #70

Kerry/Putin/Kerry/Putin/Kerry/Putin OKNancy Apr 2014 #11

Like on sarin gas autorank Apr 2014 #20

What's your problem with Kerry in that article? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #37

You know why Hersh published this in a book review magazine? No other place would publish it karynnj Apr 2014 #90

The London Review of Books is like the NY Review of Books. amandabeech Apr 2014 #109

I've read both Hersh used to publish in the New Yorker as well karynnj Apr 2014 #111

Your're right about the fact checkers, amandabeech Apr 2014 #112

I have no respect for Kerry arendt Apr 2014 #61

Your avatar would very very strongly disagree karynnj Apr 2014 #93

Trashing the thread nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #12

Yeah, Russian forces on the border looking for any excuse to reclaim what they think is theirs. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #15

The hypocrisy is stunning. But we know what it's all about, the neo-cons/libs are at the heart of sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #26

More all the time. Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #53

autorank, you have this wrong - those aren't peaceful protestors, they're trained military posing blm Apr 2014 #29

Protests have gone on for weeks in the east autorank Apr 2014 #40

IIRC the US funded explicitly neo-Nazi groups for years cprise Apr 2014 #42

It's certainly been spun that way by some. I am not a casual news consumer, cprise, blm Apr 2014 #47

Are you claiming to be a professional? n/t cprise Apr 2014 #49

No - just attentive and focused - I don't buy spin, especially when it defies logic. blm Apr 2014 #79

Spin? JoseGaspar Apr 2014 #80

Not just the US. JoseGaspar Apr 2014 #63

Always support RW extremists when dealing w/Russians cprise Apr 2014 #64

Yeah... sure... THESE guys looks non-violent to me. Adrahil Apr 2014 #48

Just to bury Syria, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #52

It's simply about which side one agrees with seveneyes Apr 2014 #54

The US signed the Budapest memorandum, as did Britain. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #56

AND respect sovereignty. cprise Apr 2014 #65

Give up auto... JoseGaspar Apr 2014 #67

Yushchenko was likely poisoned arely staircase Apr 2014 #82

You do know that independent medical tests confirmed that Yuschenko was poisoned, right? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #86

Nuland made clear what the role of the US is in this latest 'intervention'. Please, we have enough sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #95

Yes. God forbid we recognize we live in a global society. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #100

Should we 'pay mind' to some of the worst crimes of the past decade and a half sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #103

So because we pay attention to what's going on in Ukraine..... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #106

Why did that ONE crime pop into your mind right now? Why not the persecution by one of our sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #107

What I know... JoseGaspar Apr 2014 #102

Yay Oligarchs!!! warrprayer Apr 2014 #105

thanks JoseGaspar Apr 2014 #115