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Lizzie Poppet

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66. That's still not "shoot to wound."

Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:15 PM

Apr 2014

If you were indeed trained to shoot below center of mass like that (and I'll take you at your word on that, although I've never remotely heard of such a thing and will be asking one of my several ex-military shooting friends about it), it wouldn't have been for the purpose of wounding, it would have been for the purpose of a faster take-down. Snipers don't always aim for center of mass, either...but again, shooting to wound isn't in any way part of that equation, either.

Regardless, I know of no case in which any qualified instructor teaching shooting for self-defense advocates anything other than shooting for center of mass. As others have pointed out, even c-of-m shooting at a moving, aware target in an actual scenario of self-defense can be very difficult. Shooting at a moving extremity in such a situation is something even the most expert shooters in the world would have difficulty doing successfully. Twice-a-year-at-the-range cops? Not a chance.

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Santa Clara (CA) police kill bat-wielding woman [View all] KamaAina Apr 2014 OP

2 officers fearing for their safety against a 53 year old woman with an aluminum bat? Voice for Peace Apr 2014 #1

You're about to get a million responses about how dangerous bats are, and etc. alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #2

If she were attacking you with a bat you would have a right to defend yourself (with lethal force). LisaL Apr 2014 #4

Police are trained to deal with this kind of thing Beaverhausen Apr 2014 #5

This is the same argument I hear over and over again. LisaL Apr 2014 #7

Is the penalty for swinging a bat at someone death? Beaverhausen Apr 2014 #11

Do you regularly carry a firearm Aerows Apr 2014 #84

No such thing as "shoot to wound" with firearms. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #14

Not pure Hollywood tazkcmo Apr 2014 #38

That's still not "shoot to wound." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #66

What military was teaching that? sarisataka Apr 2014 #79

Do you carry a firearm Aerows Apr 2014 #85

I do sarisataka Apr 2014 #91

I do Aerows Apr 2014 #92

Good questions: sarisataka Apr 2014 #94

Yes to both. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #100

You're half right... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #15

Their training evidently says to shoot her. JVS Apr 2014 #93

Yours is one of the most silly posts I have read on DU in a long time. Jenoch Apr 2014 #95

There is no such thing as shooting to wound other than in the movies mythology Apr 2014 #98

Me and her are the same age tazkcmo Apr 2014 #8

Well it's too bad she didn't try to attack you then. LisaL Apr 2014 #9

I believe you. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #13

I am not saying it was their only option. LisaL Apr 2014 #16

Legal tazkcmo Apr 2014 #20

It might be legal to respond to my post with name calling, in a sense that you won't get arrested. LisaL Apr 2014 #36

Pretty sure the police tazkcmo Apr 2014 #43

That's not for you or I to determine. Chan790 Apr 2014 #99

As are most are. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #101

Oh, well Aerows Apr 2014 #47

'Get away with'? Are you suggesting police are serial killers? randome Apr 2014 #53

Have you ever held a bat before? Aerows Apr 2014 #71

Did they have tazers? Nightsticks? Were others nearby endangered? randome Apr 2014 #75

Oh for God's sake Randome Aerows Apr 2014 #78

For most tasers, don't you still need to be fairly close? randome Apr 2014 #17

Yes, but still well out of "bat's reach." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #21

Maybe they didn't have any? randome Apr 2014 #23

Could be. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #27

Don't know tazkcmo Apr 2014 #22

oh for the love of Gawd alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #10

Everyone keeps harping on '53'. That doesn't necessarily mean she was old and decrepit. randome Apr 2014 #18

lol tazkcmo Apr 2014 #24

In general, I think police SHOULD be in much better physical condition. randome Apr 2014 #26

It's the exception tazkcmo Apr 2014 #29

I would back away for a bit and go back to negotiating. How fucking hard is this? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #28

But but tazkcmo Apr 2014 #31

What is it do you think they should have negotiated about? LisaL Apr 2014 #61

Well, you could just walk away unless you are wheelchair bound. t ladjf Apr 2014 #102

Bats are so damn dangerous Aerows Apr 2014 #82

Shame on them agbdf Apr 2014 #77

one of the grandkids is SCPD. He's also a Buddhist OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2014 #3

Yay, Cops! Iggo Apr 2014 #6

+1 bravenak Apr 2014 #89

Who trained those guys? Yosemite Sam? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #12

Alameda County Sheriff's Department Academy Brother Buzz Apr 2014 #19

That would explain a lot KamaAina Apr 2014 #42

One swing to the head with such a bat could kill, paralyze, Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #25

Ok tazkcmo Apr 2014 #30

Well, when someone is actually charging at you, swinging such a bat, Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #35

Have you ever been in a fight? I have been in my share as a youth, and I have never myself or known Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #40

Were you using aluminum bats in these fights? LisaL Apr 2014 #45

If you use an aluminum bat Aerows Apr 2014 #76

Simple: Stay out of bat range. KamaAina Apr 2014 #33

So you are suggesting police are supposed to retreat when confronted with force? LisaL Apr 2014 #41

Uh, no, they could have circled around her. KamaAina Apr 2014 #44

So what if she charges at you and you don't have maneuvering room? randome Apr 2014 #58

What if she was charging you Aerows Apr 2014 #81

Are you saying they shouldn't? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #48

Are you suggesting they should have run away? LisaL Apr 2014 #52

Ask the BLM. They seem to have managed to defuse that much scarier situation. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #54

Police lives are worth precisely how many civilian's? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #34

If somebody tries to attack you with a bat, then by all means take the risk. LisaL Apr 2014 #37

Wilting flower when faced with a bat finds strength of mind, body, and character to shoot aggressor Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #46

"When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Aerows Apr 2014 #59

Well, she WANTED to be shot so you could say the police 'served her'. randome Apr 2014 #62

Did the police officer have a nightstick? Aerows Apr 2014 #49

Any one who is dumb enough to allow a person to just walk up and hit them on the ladjf Apr 2014 #103

Yes, Bats are potential dangerous fredamae Apr 2014 #32

The tranquilizer dart causing immediate sleep is also more of a Hollywood thing. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #39

No Aerows Apr 2014 #51

I do prefer the British system, where police are not generally armed, Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #55

Do you live in Great Britain? n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #56

Connecticut (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #57

So you think a person with a bat Aerows Apr 2014 #65

Yeah, you got it. Have a good day. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #70

Thanks, glad you realized Aerows Apr 2014 #73

Agreed sakabatou Apr 2014 #60

I certainly hope this PD has riot gear KamaAina Apr 2014 #50

From the description, I am betting on this being a good shooting nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #63

How many police actually have "bad shootings"? Nt Logical Apr 2014 #67

It happens. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #74

Extremely rare. nt Logical Apr 2014 #80

I generally agree with you Aerows Apr 2014 #86

Well then I think we will disagree nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #87

Agree to disagree Aerows Apr 2014 #90

Good thing she didn't have a hockey stick - Spirochete Apr 2014 #64

She wanted suicide by cop cate94 Apr 2014 #68

This day will go down in history... randome Apr 2014 #69

That would be an interesting short film struggle4progress Apr 2014 #72

Where was the goddamned TASER Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #83

She clearly wanted to die LittleBlue Apr 2014 #88

suicide by cop rollin74 Apr 2014 #96

Years ago I remember watching an episode yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #97

Woman attacks police with metal bat... JJChambers Apr 2014 #104

Naturally, this is front-page news in the San Jose paper KamaAina Apr 2014 #105

Yeah. Shocking.. 2banon Apr 2014 #106