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CreekDog

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Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:55 PM Apr 2014

Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing [View all]

Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing
By Ralph Maughan and Ken Cole


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Cliven Bundy, the rancher whose cattle were rounded up and then released by the BLM over the weekend, claims that his family has used the land in question since 1880 but the Nevada Constitution pre-dates this by 16 years. When Nevada became a state in 1864, its citizens gave up all claims to unappropriated federal land and codified this in the state’s Constitution. The Nevada Constitution states:

“Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; …..”

If Bundy “owns the land then where is the deed? Where are the records he paid property taxes?

It’s not his land.

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In Public Lands Council v. Babbitt the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the new grazing regulations promulgated by the Department of Interior under former Secretary of Interior Bruce Babbitt to conform to Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (FLPMA) and found:

The words “so far as consistent with the purposes . . . of this subchapter” and the warning that “issuance of a permit” creates no “right, title, interest or estate”...

He has no “right” to graze it.

The federal courts have struck down every challenge Bundy has made about his claims, and has issued not one, but two, court orders to remove his trespass cattle. It’s not his land and he has no right to graze it.

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What about Bundy’s claim that his forebears bought the land he is now accused of trespass grazing upon? This land was once Mexican land, and was won by the United States after the Mexican-American War. It is part of what is known as the “Mexican Cession.” All of Nevada, California, Arizona and most of New Mexico were part of the Cession...but those lands that were not privatized have always been Mexican lands or United States lands owned by the U.S. government.

Before the Taylor Grazing Act, these government lands were called “the public domain.” They could be privatized, as mentioned, under the Homestead Act and such, but the acreage allowed per homesteader was limited to 160 acres....The result was disaster because the operator to find green grass and eat it first won out, promoting very bad grazing practices. That was the reason for Taylor Grazing Act — ranchers and others could see the public domain system led to disaster on the ground. Therefore, the more powerful ranchers with “base” private property received grazing permits. This got rid of the landless livestock operators.

...Now, ranchers with grazing permits had to pay a grazing fee to use their permits. Bundy’s ancestors probably got one of these grazing permits, but they most certainly did not buy the land. That was not possible. The public domain was not for sale and ranchers generally did not want it. After all, if they owned it, they would owe local property tax.

In 1948 the Bureau of Land Management was created by executive order of President Truman to replace the Grazing Service...It is supposed to manage the public lands for multiple uses and for sustained production (“yield”) of renewable resources such as grass...As before, you need a grazing permit for cattle, sheep, goats, or horses to legally graze. It is a privilege, not a right, and this has been firmly stated by the U.S. courts.

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http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/04/14/cliven-bundy-has-no-claim-to-federal-land-and-grazing/
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might as well talk to the cat MFM008 Apr 2014 #1
it's ok, it's for our folks CreekDog Apr 2014 #2
Thanks, there's a lot of good info here... TroglodyteScholar Apr 2014 #3
i really had to chop it up to avoid copyright issues... CreekDog Apr 2014 #5
There are some 2naSalit Apr 2014 #8
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #4
Exposure. Iliyah Apr 2014 #6
This is great information. Leave it to a teabagger to misrepresent everything. R B Garr Apr 2014 #7
Umm, it belongs to my people, the Naive Americans Iliyah Apr 2014 #12
Lol, you are actually correct! Now all you need is a few dozen friends with guns R B Garr Apr 2014 #15
That's been tried and didn't work out well Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #20
White Conservatives* chrisa Apr 2014 #21
Good point (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #24
I'm pretty sure you meant "Native". JoeyT Apr 2014 #17
I believe it would belong to the Shoshone people Rockyj Apr 2014 #27
US v. Gardner lancer78 Apr 2014 #9
More fact and myth info here... pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #10
I'm sure this information will be on the news tomorrow. progressoid Apr 2014 #11
Right Wing Extremism On Display Stainless Apr 2014 #13
". . . NSA is doing their fucking job by putting these assholes under surveillance" siligut Apr 2014 #18
Sounds like he's depending on the old easement loophole. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #14
Just the Chinese. Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #16
The Chinese solar company canceled its proposed project 10 months ago pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #23
derp much? frylock Apr 2014 #25
The media needs to interview the adjoining acreage holders. Paladin Apr 2014 #19
The gunnutters are itching for bloodshed, just a matter of when and where. n/t UTUSN Apr 2014 #22
This would be a good time to investigate the gun nuts on site, see how many are on disability. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #26
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