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ProSense

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8. Does the
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:06 AM
Apr 2014

"You say lower premiums, but premiums are rising, not falling. I asked you in your other thread about Obama promising that rates would fall by $2500 for the typical family. He promised it repeatedly as did others. You didn't address that promise, or the conflict with the reality that rates are not falling but rising.

You link to your other thread promoting lower premiums under Obamacare, but the reality is that premiums are rising across the board, by large amounts in many instances. How do you reconcile that reality with your spin?"

...title of the OP provide any clues: "New York exceeds Obamacare enrollment expectations by 60 percent, premiums halved"

I posted this in the other thread about the CBO report that shows premiums will be lower than expected (which evidently isn't good enough for you and the red herring question you're keep asking.)

Health care costs grow every year. When growth is at the slowest pace in 50 years. That's a significant savings.

Still, even with that fact, premiums are lower than the status quo.

Most families/people are saving a lot more than $2,500 a year (the average subsidy is about $4,000). Premiums were nearly $12,000 per year for an individual plan. Millions of people are paying less than $100 per month. Million are paying nothing.

STUDY: Average Obamacare Plans Are Cheaper Than Employer-Sponsored Ones
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024415004


http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/17/news/economy/obamacare-health-insurance-new-york/

In fact, Obamacare isn't just lowering premiums, it's boosting incomes.

Obamacare boosting household income and spending
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024606074

Go ahead and complain about the links.

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Yes! Your news is Great! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #1
They will come around. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #3
Great add. freshwest Apr 2014 #4
Thanks freshwest. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #5
"They lie and people die" Iliyah Apr 2014 #2
You say lower premiums, but premiums are rising, not falling. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #6
Does the ProSense Apr 2014 #8
Reuters: CBO sees relatively modest premium hikes for Obamacare benchmark plan" (April 14, 2014) Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #9
Yes - clearly we should scrap Obamacare and get no increases. Well argued. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #10
One can support Obamacare while not falsely stating premiums are decreasing Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #11
Wait a second - wasn't your argument that they aren't decreasing as much? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #12
I'm arguing what the CBO said Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #14
One can ProSense Apr 2014 #13
Are you saying that the CBO said premiums have gone down relative to last year? Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #16
No, ProSense Apr 2014 #17
Please explain the graphic RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #20
The chart ProSense Apr 2014 #22
What annual income gets you a $359 a month silver plan? RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #24
Please ProSense Apr 2014 #25
I asked you specific questions RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #26
Hey, ProSense Apr 2014 #28
Uh huh RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #29
"Uh huh" ProSense Apr 2014 #30
Still trying to figure out RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #31
Again, ProSense Apr 2014 #32
slicker than a wet lizard RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #33
More familiar than a zombie. ProSense Apr 2014 #34
on lunch break now RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #35
Well, enjoy reading the articles. ProSense Apr 2014 #36
I was just thinking the same thing about you RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #37
Links ProSense Apr 2014 #38
played out RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #39
"Anyone can read a newspaper. " ProSense Apr 2014 #40
A dog is not an orange RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #41
Thanks, ProSense. Anecdotally, people here seem to be spending a lot more for medical, but it's not freshwest Apr 2014 #19
You're welcome. ProSense Apr 2014 #42
hope is on the rise oasis Apr 2014 #7
Mr. Robinson, I must respectfully disagree with you about one thing: Brigid Apr 2014 #15
That is ProSense Apr 2014 #18
Perhaps you should re-read the column, if you even read it the 1st time, and try & comprehend the... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #45
I read the freakin' column. Brigid Apr 2014 #46
So now reading comprehension = silence? Well alrighty then. And best of luck to ya? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #47
Welcome to my ignore list. Brigid Apr 2014 #48
Judging from your initial response in this thread, I don't think I'll be missing much. I'll try &.. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #49
perfect hfojvt Apr 2014 #21
Still working on transitioning to single payer, thanks! grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #23
There'd been LOTS of shouting right here on Democratic Underground, too. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #27
The perpetually disgruntled. Pirate Smile Apr 2014 #43
K&R Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #44
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