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DanTex

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57. Proving my point: yet another pro-gunner claiming it's not about the guns.

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:39 AM

Apr 2014

BTW, this law doesn't make a criminal out of anyone for owning anything. It just prevents people from buying and selling ivory products without certifying the legality and authenticity of the ivory. Without such rules, smugglers can easily pass poached ivory for antique ivory. And we know this because that's what's happening now.

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U.S. ivory ban makes musician cancel Winnipeg audition (or, Musicians gunning for elephants?) [View all] The Straight Story Apr 2014 OP

New Ivory Sale Regulations Impacting Local Music Stores The Straight Story Apr 2014 #1

Thought there was an exemption on antiques ? dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #3

No, 100 years old pipoman Apr 2014 #5

Not too hard with banjos with serial numbers dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #6

A friend of mine pipoman Apr 2014 #9

Funny, I figured people paying huge sums of money for an instrument would want some way of DanTex Apr 2014 #20

Knowing the authenticity and proving it are not always the same thing. Jenoch Apr 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author pipoman Apr 2014 #7

The exemption is largely theoretical. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #15

Local Impacts to New Ivory Regulations The Straight Story Apr 2014 #2

This silliness really needs to be rethought pipoman Apr 2014 #4

Interesting that those pipoman Apr 2014 #8

Not surprising, though, given that the OP didn't mention the NRA, Jgarrick Apr 2014 #10

Seriously, you went THERE on a thread about ivory?!? catbyte Apr 2014 #13

Did you not see yesterday's ivory thread? It was all about the NRA. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #14

Here is the link Lonusca Apr 2014 #17

Umm ... btw Trajan Apr 2014 #68

Well, I'm not seeing much support outside of team NRA for the plight of those who DanTex Apr 2014 #22

Funny, I didn't see a single pipoman Apr 2014 #32

Actually, some environmental groups think the regulation doesn't go far enough. DanTex Apr 2014 #35

Apparently you are so blinded by NRA and gun hate you can pipoman Apr 2014 #39

Actually, I'm motivated by environmental concerns. DanTex Apr 2014 #40

For me guns are a constitutional issue that pipoman Apr 2014 #45

Fair enough. DanTex Apr 2014 #54

Surely he can weight it with something else. Fawke Em Apr 2014 #11

Why should he be forced to do so? It's an idiotic law. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #12

Umm, because elephants and rhinos are endangered... DanTex Apr 2014 #24

Because you don't kill an elephant over an overgrown fiddle. Fawke Em Apr 2014 #27

What about an elephant that's been dead nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #48

The flip side, of course, is that without some certification system, it's very easy DanTex Apr 2014 #60

Well how do I prove I inherited from my mom nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #62

I know nothing about dating ivory, you'll have to ask someone who knows. DanTex Apr 2014 #64

You are missing it. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #66

The part about treating you like a "criminal" is certainly hyperbole. DanTex Apr 2014 #67

Have a good day. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #69

New ones are... pipoman Apr 2014 #50

In case anyone is wondering why some DUers are opposed to protecting endangered species... DanTex Apr 2014 #16

LOL....ffs pipoman Apr 2014 #51

Not it's not about the guns. MicaelS Apr 2014 #53

Proving my point: yet another pro-gunner claiming it's not about the guns. DanTex Apr 2014 #57

"...these fantastic bows and instruments." Paladin Apr 2014 #18

See post 48 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #52

They could always get new bows. Marrah_G Apr 2014 #19

For highly accomplished musicians the bow can be as important as the instrument. yellowcanine Apr 2014 #25

I thought I saw something about getting permits. Marrah_G Apr 2014 #29

See 48 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #55

If real ivory is truly that critical a stringed instrument component,....... Paladin Apr 2014 #30

Show him some photos of slaughtered elephants, entire bodies left... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #21

There needs to be some kind of certificate system - if a musician can provide reasonable proof yellowcanine Apr 2014 #23

Certified antiques are exempt. DanTex Apr 2014 #26

Yes, but certifying bows is extremely hard nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #59

I don't know what you mean by "on purpose". DanTex Apr 2014 #61

It is the certification process nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #63

Well, hopefully they will streamline the certification process. DanTex Apr 2014 #65

A ban on ivory is a good thing. Inkfreak Apr 2014 #28

Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA DanTex Apr 2014 #31

You're amusing. Inkfreak Apr 2014 #33

He can get a new bow to use outside the States. tammywammy Apr 2014 #34

It's illegal to import mother of pearl, too mainer Apr 2014 #43

Ahh, possibly. I never traveled outside the country with my cello. tammywammy Apr 2014 #46

He can only bring his "A game" with an ivory tipped bow? Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #36

The ivory is irrelevant to the bow's performance. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #38

Absolutely true. Ivory isn't what makes a bow's performance. mainer Apr 2014 #42

Exactly Throd Apr 2014 #44

Just grandfather in existing items. Register existing items and problem solved. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #37

Probably not a bad idea. ..funding and pipoman Apr 2014 #41

That's true. rrneck Apr 2014 #56

Agreed if there is no cost to the owner. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #49

They're probably worried about the government goon-thugs goin' all Gibson Guitars on them Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #47