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Ken Burch

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248. Actually, Nader was irrelevant in 2004.

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:26 PM

Apr 2014

Most people who had voted for him in 2000 voted for Kerry next time. Kerry's loss had nothing to do with the actions of anyone to Kerry's left.

And we both already know that Bernie wouldn't pull a Nader and run third-party in 2016, so your fears are groundless-and nobody here would back him if he did anyway,

AND we both know(and the OP knows as well)that Bernie would never, NO MATTER WHAT, collude with the Kochs-so there was no reason to even imply that he'd do anything like that.

Bernie is NOT Ralph...can't you just accept that already?

The lesson of 2000, btw, is NOT that progressives are obligated to take whatever the Democratic offers as a presidential ticket(though that would be, agreed, the more prudent choice)-it's that the Democratic Party was WRONG to ever go as far to the Right as it did under Clinton and Gore...the party was wrong to ditch labor, throw the poor under the bus, and tell progressive activists they'd no longer matter. It's up to the party to keep people from feeling that alienated...and there's no one to the right of most Democrats who'd even consider voting Dem anyway, so that strategy was never necessary and didn't gain us any votes(Dukakis took 46%...Clinton took 43% and 49%-NO significant difference in popular vote total).

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Is Bernie trolling in NH for Koch dollars to finance his presidential bid? [View all] CK_John Apr 2014 OP

WTF? cyberswede Apr 2014 #1

Bernie is working to get money out of politics so this post is moot. The Wielding Truth Apr 2014 #110

Poor attempt at flame bait radiclib Apr 2014 #2

Wow, they're all lunging for the bait. radiclib Apr 2014 #87

I think you mean "Brownie"...nt Wounded Bear Apr 2014 #3

No , I mean Sanders. CK_John Apr 2014 #4

So you're saying Bernie Sanders is looking for and is willing to take . . . brush Apr 2014 #108

You do realize that you've got no reason to even think such a thing? Ken Burch Apr 2014 #114

Is Hillary (pragmatically, of course) trolling for corporate dollars? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #5

Sure, but she gets a pass Aerows Apr 2014 #79

She always has and always will. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #154

There's only one person... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #6

Who are you referring to? If you mean Bernie Sanders, I hope that gets you hlthe2b Apr 2014 #7

Many DUers here seem to forget, Bernie Sanders is NOT A DEMOCRAT. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #10

He may not have the "D" next to his name SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #12

Your opinion. Opinion doesn't constitute fact. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #18

You want to throw a person Aerows Apr 2014 #20

You've completely misread and misunderstood the gist of my post. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #94

You want us to either demand that Bernie sit in the senate as a Dem, or be anathemized. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #123

Hyperbole. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #237

Oh believe me there is no way I could forget. SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #25

Yeah. This site is called the DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND in support of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #96

+1! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #102

If the parties completely swapped positions, would you still Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #155

What a ridiculous proposition. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #177

Perhaps you need to re-read DU's TOS. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #227

Shrug. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #228

Sorry, oh ye of few posts; I've never not voted for a Democrat. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #232

You must live in a wonderfully deep blue state. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #234

Wow, you get enough hyperbole in there? SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #185

Nah. But I know the truth hurts people like you. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #236

Funny thing is ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #208

I believe the Obama Family avatar made them see *red BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #235

Well you can buy the site.. sendero Apr 2014 #225

Your opinion. And opinion doesn't constitute fact - even from a "Democrat" that's been on a BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #238

You're still pissed that Bernie sits as an Independent? Ken Burch Apr 2014 #120

Absolutely NOT. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #178

You have no reason to think he's planning to split the vote. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #190

Never said he was "planning" on splitting the vote. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #239

No, he caucuses with the Democrats. joshcryer Apr 2014 #130

The poster you've responded to is a McCarthyite. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #134

Fair enough. joshcryer Apr 2014 #136

I edited it. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #143

I'm no "McCarthyite". BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #242

It's McCarthyite that you're sowing false accusation of disloyalty to the party Ken Burch Apr 2014 #244

That's what you're making out of it (mountains out of molehills much?) but that's clearly NOT BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #245

Actually, Nader was irrelevant in 2004. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #248

And great for him and us! BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #241

He would never do that. joshcryer Apr 2014 #243

I don't think so, either. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #246

+1 Va Lefty Apr 2014 #184

So let him change his registration. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #226

who the hell threatened anyone? hlthe2b Apr 2014 #14

Reread your own flame-baiting post, pal. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #23

Reading comprehension, my dear. Hoping hardly constitutes a threat... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #24

You first. I'll even hold the door open for you. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #51

Nah... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #53

B.S. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #55

Hah... Your own posts prove that you do "hold purity tests".... The irony... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #63

I have an Elizabeth Warren for President Aerows Apr 2014 #66

One must wonder-- when Sander's biggest & most ardent detractors are the far RW... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #70

It's not a threat, it's a valid observation. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #132

Bernie Sanders caucuses with the Democratic party Aerows Apr 2014 #19

I really don't care if he votes 90% with Democrats. HE'S STILL NOT A DEMOCRAT BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #38

If you "don't care" that he caucuses with Democrats Aerows Apr 2014 #41

Ah...I was wondering how long it would take Democratic Party disrupters from trying BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #47

"Democratic Party disrupters" Aerows Apr 2014 #52

Yep. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #57

Well, I'm pretty comfortable being labeled a Aerows Apr 2014 #61

I've noticed. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #107

So once again Aerows Apr 2014 #181

Democrats don't have to oppose Bernie running for president. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #124

Here is who is calling you a disrupter.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #71

Oh, well isn't that special? Aerows Apr 2014 #76

This is also the person who thinks that it's hysterically funny QC Apr 2014 #161

Nope, no homophobia there Aerows Apr 2014 #182

I think they sometimes forget that even though Skinner is very patient, this is still a partisan.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #86

I swear... BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #104

look dude, bernie is cool,and he's not an asshole; he'd run as a Dem. he won't win either, so relax. dionysus Apr 2014 #97

Dude, did Senator Sanders SAY he'd run as a Democrat? BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #105

he's not a fool or a jerk, i bet you 10 bucks if he runs at all, it's as a Dem. Deal? dionysus Apr 2014 #106

IF that's the case then he'd be a sell-out. And you "anyone but a Democrat" people BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #109

you must have confused me with some other dudes, that's pretty funny. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #111

Nope. I pegged you right from the get-go. And that's not funny. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #112

Bernie's been endorsing our presidential tickets for years. Isn't that proof enough for you? Ken Burch Apr 2014 #139

Proof of what, exactly? That he's NOT going to run as an Independent presidential candidate in 2016? BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #180

It's McCarthyite that you're trying to make Bernie anathema around here. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #189

You know perfectly well that Bernie won't run third-party Ken Burch Apr 2014 #121

Doh, seems I made that same observation. joshcryer Apr 2014 #135

Considering the statements that this poster Aerows Apr 2014 #183

That's insane. joshcryer Apr 2014 #216

So do you support Democrats who support fracking? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #35

No. I don't. I don't support President Obama 100% of the time, BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #42

Sorry, "Not as bad", or, "As good as it gets", isn't good enough. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #46

Good for you. So do I! That's why I always vote and I always vote DEMOCRATIC. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #49

So, fracking is really good for the country and is a liberal policy and and principle? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #56

you're the purest of the pure, the wind beneath our collective wings. now shit on dems and fly!!!1! dionysus Apr 2014 #98

LOL! You demand absolute obedience to the party and call us "Purists"? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #99

"absolute obedience", of course not. but rarely have i seen you make a post that doesn't trash Dems, dionysus Apr 2014 #101

I trash politicians and policies of any party deserving it. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #103

Obama isn't going to run in 2016 Ken Burch Apr 2014 #122

So are you saying that because he is not a Democrat, that Dems can't have any regard for the man? notadmblnd Apr 2014 #58

Nope. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #175

I did read your post and you were defending the OP who apparently notadmblnd Apr 2014 #176

He's more of a Democrat than many who slap the 'D' onto their names. Some DUers sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #59

Criticism is fine...but not the spreading of rumors and lies. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #119

The OP didn't criticize-it spread an unfounded rumor. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #126

Oh for fuck's sake. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #144

That's true. LWolf Apr 2014 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author demwing Apr 2014 #205

Is that really the Clinton game plan? DefenseLawyer Apr 2014 #8

so you are claiming this came from Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #9

Sounds to me like it came from Fox News. notadmblnd Apr 2014 #67

that's what I think tooo.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #69

I'm saying only a Clinton supporter has reason DefenseLawyer Apr 2014 #92

I believe I willl....because as much as Bernie has a fan club....he is also well known by VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #93

So? The Republican base Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #159

the Republican Base doesn't understand the way we do about the Koch bros... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #164

Why would the Republican base, no matter how much they despise Sanders DefenseLawyer Apr 2014 #170

Because he might win? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #187

No offense, but that's ridiculous and you know it. DefenseLawyer Apr 2014 #211

You forget....Bernie is not a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #212

Which is another reason, aside her "centrism"(conservatism)and militarism, NOT to nominate HRC Ken Burch Apr 2014 #221

she IS NOT a Centrist...that is a damn lie... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #224

She favors a big defense budget, still hasn't given up on bombing Iran, backs trade globalization... Ken Burch Apr 2014 #230

that is ONE issue....ONE issue does not determine it....sorry.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #231

No shit Aerows Apr 2014 #22

Seems like people want to throw baseless assertions around in this thread. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #157

I second that..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #165

I don't mean to suggest that this was literally posted by the Clinton campaign DefenseLawyer Apr 2014 #171

I don't know. It was your baseless assertion with absolutely no back up. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #172

So you think Republicans don't want Sanders to run in a primary? DefenseLawyer Apr 2014 #174

So he's either a party hack or a spoiler? SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #11

If he decides to run, he'll be another Ralph Nader spoiler. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #13

Bernie would never run against the Democratic ticket in the fall and you know it. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #148

Bernie can't run in the Democratic primaries....he is not a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #166

He would just have to change his registration to do so...that's not that big a deal. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #192

You think he is going to do that now? Uh no.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #193

What I'm saying is, if Bernie runs, he'd run to win(without diluting his message) Ken Burch Apr 2014 #195

No, I don't know it. And it's not what he said on The Ed Show a couple of months ago. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #179

Then join those who call for Bernie to run as a Dem. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #191

Bernie is NOT going to do that..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #194

that's why he's in New Hampshire exploring a possible run in the Democratic primaries Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #196

Well let us know when he changes affiliation...until then.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #197

well he didn't go to New Hampshire to explore the possibility of a run for the Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #198

So? He cannot visit there? Everything is an agenda? There are no Democrats there he supports? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #199

I'm only following the news reports Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #200

What if he decides to run as Hillary's running mate...will your head explode? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #201

news reports confirm that he is considering running in the Democratic primaries Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #203

So? But that is called being a Spoiler... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #204

I plan to vote for the Democratic Party nominee in 2016 Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #213

So do I! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #214

Bernie isn't the spoiler type...why don't you just accept that? n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #207

If Bernie runs....and doesn't become a Democrat...he IS a spoiler... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #210

If Bernie ran in the primaries, he WOULD be running as a Dem. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #220

Do you have any evidence for this accusation? If not than this is simply troll-bait. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #15

I asked a question, read the OP. CK_John Apr 2014 #17

It's an accusatory question. Why would you think that Sanders was trolling for Koch Money? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #30

You didn't "ask a question" Marrah_G Apr 2014 #36

+1, and without background, context or anything remotely related joeybee12 Apr 2014 #43

"We're just asking questions" was the mantra of the birthers. arcane1 Apr 2014 #202

I thought FoxNews had trademarked that tactic. "Do Democrats hate America?" 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #45

Are you posting on political forums to cover up nefarious and illegal activities? Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #54

Kind of like Glenn Beck asks questions. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #74

JAQing off Aerows Apr 2014 #82

That's excellent n/t tazkcmo Apr 2014 #186

I see a number of posts in this thread doing exactly that. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #158

You already knew the answer is no...so you're just spreading rumors. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #115

You didn't just ask a question. You slandered. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #141

When did you stop beating your wife, CK John? Just asking. nt Hekate Apr 2014 #169

Really? Going to bash one of our most progressive Senators? Marrah_G Apr 2014 #16

She bashed gay marriage Aerows Apr 2014 #80

Wow. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #127

Uh oh, now you've done it. You've "attacked" one of DU's sacred cows. I'm cool with Bernie, howeve Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #21

don't you karate chop at me! i'm gonna retaliate! dionysus Apr 2014 #28

You need one of these. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #73

Who would you rather have in your corner Aerows Apr 2014 #34

Bernie, of course. But as Senator Sanders, not POTUS. He gives great spittle laced, red meat Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #75

I'd rather have a dozen Bernie Sanders Aerows Apr 2014 #77

Then go out and ELECT "a dozen", and best of luck to ya. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #81

I promise to try Aerows Apr 2014 #85

pretty much sums it up Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #150

this is stupid, if Sanders runs he will run as a Democrat in the Primary JI7 Apr 2014 #26

Yes, of course... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #27

This is correct. joshcryer Apr 2014 #128

might you share a little of what you're toking on, please... dionysus Apr 2014 #29

Toking is not part of my world. Boring. CK_John Apr 2014 #40

Then shooting tazkcmo Apr 2014 #78

my money is on huffing. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #100

No, just anonymously slandering good people. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #142

Crap OP. Agschmid Apr 2014 #31

Why would he be trolling in NH? KamaAina Apr 2014 #32

Why would you think that, he has never before run as anything but an IND. CK_John Apr 2014 #64

Because he learned his lesson from Nader in 2000? KamaAina Apr 2014 #68

he always did that with the backing of the Vermont Democrats, though. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #116

Ha! You've exposed his eeeevvvile plan, you have! deutsey Apr 2014 #33

DU has become the Dopey Utopia. This OP is a case in point. Squinch Apr 2014 #37

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannd reddread Apr 2014 #91

Been a democrat my entire life. Democrats like you make me wonder why. n/t whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #39

Indeed! Aerows Apr 2014 #44

yeah that's why he's in New Hampshire - he needs to win the Democratic primaries Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #48

Correct... Trolling is indeed going on... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #50

This is the most pathetic of all the threads I've ever read by you. tammywammy Apr 2014 #60

Oh, the horror. CK_John Apr 2014 #62

I just hope these are your pathetic attempts at performance art. n/t tammywammy Apr 2014 #72

DU Unrec. City Lights Apr 2014 #65

^^^^^^^ +1,000,000 ^^^^^^^ SalviaBlue Apr 2014 #83

Let them. He has my support, and if he switches to a D in midstream Autumn Apr 2014 #84

Lowdown, piece of trash OP. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #88

Legalize Lonnie Anderson's Hair!!!!!!!!!!!! H2O Man Apr 2014 #89

ok that made me laugh ! nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #90

When is DU going to have had enough of this nonsense, I wonder? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #95

by "this nonsense", you do mean the OP, right? Ken Burch Apr 2014 #117

"Survey says...BULLSHIT" n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #113

Did you come up with this vicious baseless rumor on your own or did you read it on a latrine wall? Hekate Apr 2014 #118

The latter, probably-And wasn't written on that wall in INK, either. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #137

What the serious fuck? joshcryer Apr 2014 #125

Probably an HRC or Biden supporter feeling threatened that an anti-elite candidate may run. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #129

Bernie is no threat to either. joshcryer Apr 2014 #131

It doesn't matter if Bernie actually IS a threat to an HRC or Biden coronation Ken Burch Apr 2014 #133

I just don't want Reich to use Sanders as an "out." joshcryer Apr 2014 #138

Ron Wyden is FAR from the most liberal senator Ken Burch Apr 2014 #140

Wyden has the most liberal rating of any senator... joshcryer Apr 2014 #206

You are assuming that Clinton would actually follow through on what she campaigns on. djean111 Apr 2014 #147

Well, Obama did. joshcryer Apr 2014 #217

I can never like a center-right politician. Ever. Ever. Ever. djean111 Apr 2014 #222

"This is also about trying to establish a "Bernie is anathema" mindset in the party" djean111 Apr 2014 #146

We point out Bernie's agreements with Obama for one reason. joshcryer Apr 2014 #218

Obama is basically a Third Way politician. Bernie is not. djean111 Apr 2014 #223

Warren actually has the same liberal rating as Udall. joshcryer Apr 2014 #229

Holy crap. . .are you crazy? Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #145

This is by far, the lamest piece of trollbait I've ever read on this board. 99Forever Apr 2014 #149

You mean this guy? Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #151

Are you trolling DU for shits and giggles? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #152

"Is Bernie trolling in NH for Koch dollars to finance his presidential bid?" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #153

Not that I care what Bernie Sanders does JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #156

Is CK_John trolling on DU for Koch dollars to finance Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #160

This is a fun game Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #168

Bernie who? Iggo Apr 2014 #162

There are several problems with this OP. The first and most obvious is that there is no evidence stevenleser Apr 2014 #163

This whole thread lillypaddle Apr 2014 #173

textbook trolling, congrats nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #188

I think this is a record...reply #209...and STILL no recs! joeybee12 Apr 2014 #209

The first rec should be along aaaaaany time now. pa28 Apr 2014 #215

This is crap even by your usual low standards. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #219

and a jury kept this 2-5! (I alerted.) alp227 Apr 2014 #240

I have no inside info, but Bernie doesn't strike me as a spoiler Recursion Apr 2014 #233

................... Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #247