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In reply to the discussion: Big shout out to independents, conservative Democrats and people who seldom vote!!! [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)3. Actually the data shows that it was those liberal democrats who showed up
I won't bother with the link anymore, or links, since confirmation bias is at play here, and any facts do not matter.
Or at least not for you...since facts do not matter
Once again, liberals made up 20% of the electorate, but only voted 87% for Democrats. Between 2006 and 2010, liberals made up the same proportion of the electorate, and yet actually voted even more strongly Democratic in 2010 than their historical norm. This is remarkable given that 2006 was actually a Democratic wave, and 2010 a Republican one - and 2010 actually had higher overall turnout, 41% versus 36% in 2006. It's not even that the same liberals from 2006 showed up, but in fact some new ones came out too. But they weren't enough.
If you insist on using 2008 as the baseline (debatable since it was a Presidential election), then you'd find that liberals were 22% of the electorate and voted 87% Democratic. So there were a few more liberals, but they were slightly less Democratic. Probably a wash. Even if you want to say this cost the House D's 1-2% of popular vote (a real stretch), you'd still need to account for the other 7-8% of popular vote they lost between 2008 and 2010. That would ignore the problems of comparing Presidential to off years, where some of the more liberal groups like the young are just historically less likely to vote anyway.
If you insist on using 2008 as the baseline (debatable since it was a Presidential election), then you'd find that liberals were 22% of the electorate and voted 87% Democratic. So there were a few more liberals, but they were slightly less Democratic. Probably a wash. Even if you want to say this cost the House D's 1-2% of popular vote (a real stretch), you'd still need to account for the other 7-8% of popular vote they lost between 2008 and 2010. That would ignore the problems of comparing Presidential to off years, where some of the more liberal groups like the young are just historically less likely to vote anyway.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/06/1003805/-Did-liberals-really-stay-home-and-cause-the-2010-rout
Now here is one group that actually failed to show up (and will stay home in 2014 from historic records as well.
In 2008, polls showed that young people were overwhelmingly supportive of Obama and the Democrats. And they turned out in droves. According to the research group CIRCLEThe Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning and Engagementwhich tracks civic engagement among young voters, 51 percent of 18- to-19-year-olds voted that year.
In 2010, polls showed that young people were still supportive of Obama and the Democrats. But only 20.9 percent of them bothered to vote.
In 2010, polls showed that young people were still supportive of Obama and the Democrats. But only 20.9 percent of them bothered to vote.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/156470/young-voter-turnout-fell-60-2008-2010-dems-wont-win-2012-if-trend-continues
Oh and Indies, who you are celebrating, favored Republicans in 2010
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141086/independent-voters-favor-gop-2010-election-tracking.aspx
And here from Arizona, which also matches a national trend
Those who believe that independents hold the key to Arizona political results they would find more agreeable should warm up the vocal cords some more. In reality, independent participation in general elections, particularly off-presidential ones, is also anemic.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/robertrobb/2014/03/21/independents/6714951/
Not that facts matter, I don't expect them to matter. It is hippy punching time.
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Big shout out to independents, conservative Democrats and people who seldom vote!!! [View all]
cthulu2016
Apr 2014
OP
yup its a lie...no make it a damned lie and they should get ppr'ed for pushing that tired tripe
SwampG8r
Apr 2014
#2
Actually the data shows that it was those liberal democrats who showed up
nadinbrzezinski
Apr 2014
#3
I did and I am so damn tired of the hippie punching it is not even funny
nadinbrzezinski
Apr 2014
#10
I've been arguing for a while now the Reagan Democrats are the base of the party
Fumesucker
Apr 2014
#25