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205. It absolutely is. "Naive, childish bullshit"

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:26 PM

Apr 2014

The only thing that makes this worthwhile is the number of people saying those who keep spewing "he's human" are ignoring the CENTURIES old cultural, political, social and economic Western constructs that have always put whites on top and people of color at the bottom and that by doing so, they are not only ignoring reality but the painful and all too real existences of poc.

Reminds me of this:

How many times has yelling "I'm Human!" got a black man/woman a job? A house? An education? Kept them from getting the shit kicked out of them? Kept folks from not shooting them or poorly educating their children? In a perfect world, these men would have NEVER had to remind their oppressors that they were men. In a perfect world, being human would be the answer to everything. But we don't and never have lived in a perfect world.

Naive

Childish

Bullshit
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And really, really ignorant too.

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What race do you think Barack Obama is? White, Black, Mixed Race, or something else? [View all] CreekDog Apr 2014 OP

Human race maddezmom Apr 2014 #1

Beat me to it sarisataka Apr 2014 #12

what has Obama called himself? CreekDog Apr 2014 #17

I look at people color blind sarisataka Apr 2014 #22

Okay, just googled after reading the controversy edited into the OP maddezmom Apr 2014 #31

thank you for that. and who would we be to disagree? CreekDog Apr 2014 #114

No disagreement from me maddezmom Apr 2014 #116

AMEN, Maddezmom....I agree. MOST black folks here in the Americas are a Melange Ecumenist Apr 2014 #134

According to some here, that makes you a racist. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #46

why do you think Stephen Colbert's act includes "I'm colorblind" CreekDog Apr 2014 #64

I don't either, Nye and I've been mixed/black for most of my life. I'm sickened by people Ecumenist Apr 2014 #139

^^this^^ csziggy Apr 2014 #124

Nailed it!!!!!!! mfcorey1 Apr 2014 #144

YES, unless get the red out Apr 2014 #184

I know....saw this and now I am wondering maddezmom Apr 2014 #185

The only race there is-HUMAN n/t TexasProgresive Apr 2014 #2

are you saying that someone who calls themselves a memember of a race, that they are wrong? CreekDog Apr 2014 #6

Yes they are wrong. Science has proven there is only the one race...Human Bandit Apr 2014 #18

so Obama's wrong when he says he's black? CreekDog Apr 2014 #24

No he's not wrong oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #68

i was asking the other poster something specific about their observation CreekDog Apr 2014 #77

You're on a open forum and I will answer any question posed oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #86

would you like me to keep up? CreekDog Apr 2014 #100

This thread isn't going that well for you oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #108

not all concepts or ideas are easy to express or persuade on CreekDog Apr 2014 #111

no argument there oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #115

Is a collie a different species than a husky Bandit Apr 2014 #175

you're trying to say that being human and claiming a racial identity are mutually exclusive CreekDog Apr 2014 #178

The words "species" and "race" aren't interchangeable gollygee Apr 2014 #180

Agreed: race is a social construct, not a biological one. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #190

Maybe you need to tell the Goverment that and every employer because they all ask for it oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #60

There Is Only One Race... The Human Race... We Invite The Knuckdraggers To Join... WillyT Apr 2014 #3

Go tell that to someone researching tay-sachs or sickle-cell. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #11

We All Came Out Of Africa... WillyT Apr 2014 #16

Two points. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #158

If that is the case then there should be only one box to check when applying for tuition , job etc.. oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #65

Not Yet... But Someday... When We Realize We Are All Brothers And Sisters... And Treat Each Other WillyT Apr 2014 #75

I couldn't agree more but until racism is Completely eliminated oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #82

I Wonder How Much Would Change If We Based Those Things On Socio-Economic Parameters... WillyT Apr 2014 #85

But how could that even be done when we still have deep seated racism due to skin color oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #96

Gotta Keep Trying... It IS The Ultimate Goal WillyT Apr 2014 #97

It will happen , just seeing how young children think compared to older folks is encouraging oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #99

Word !!! - And In A Way... That Speaks Well Of Some Of The Older Generations... WillyT Apr 2014 #119

we need to stop dividing ourselves and realize questionseverything Apr 2014 #202

Why do you bother? oldhippie Apr 2014 #4

As above: 99Forever Apr 2014 #5

yes, were you concerned I didn't know that? CreekDog Apr 2014 #8

You asked. 99Forever Apr 2014 #9

look at the OP again CreekDog Apr 2014 #13

No, you asked, I answered. 99Forever Apr 2014 #19

no, i asked you to look again because i updated the OP to provide context CreekDog Apr 2014 #23

Wrongo pal. 99Forever Apr 2014 #76

well you seem to be confused since there is no poll CreekDog Apr 2014 #78

"...since there is no poll." 99Forever Apr 2014 #167

I didn't post a DU poll in my OP CreekDog Apr 2014 #168

"The person you are responding to" is me. 99Forever Apr 2014 #170

there are a lot of replies, i thought yours was another when i responded CreekDog Apr 2014 #171

Thank you for proving, again... 99Forever Apr 2014 #172

i acknowledged my mistake CreekDog Apr 2014 #177

Whatever dude. 99Forever Apr 2014 #179

so you're telling me what i'm thinking? CreekDog Apr 2014 #181

black JI7 Apr 2014 #7

Every black person in America knew this would happen the second he and Michelle stood on that stage Number23 Apr 2014 #26

some will also use his mother being white to defend themselves when they JI7 Apr 2014 #39

The responses in this thread make me want to spontaneously weep and puke even more than usual Number23 Apr 2014 #89

I just love you JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #176

It absolutely is. "Naive, childish bullshit" Number23 Apr 2014 #205

Bingo treestar Apr 2014 #128

+1 100% correct oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #71

Do you think that every black person is the same race? AngryAmish Apr 2014 #117

do you mean ethnicity ? JI7 Apr 2014 #118

For what purpose? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #10

does anybody read the body of the OP anymore? it wasn't that long CreekDog Apr 2014 #14

LOL !!! - I Feel Your Pain... And I Get What You're Saying... And You Are Correct... WillyT Apr 2014 #28

thanks! CreekDog Apr 2014 #30

LOL !!! - I Try To Get... The "Gist"... WillyT Apr 2014 #32

I disagree. You don't, lexicographers do. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #157

are you saying that the racial category is a scientific/objective issue? CreekDog Apr 2014 #198

I read, and I corrected the incorrect assertion. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #156

No, you're wrong, so much so you had to create a bogus example to try to prove otherwise CreekDog Apr 2014 #169

You asked what I think. Right? Then you say it's not what I think? immoderate Apr 2014 #15

yes, that's the point I was making CreekDog Apr 2014 #20

They used to have a thing -- if you have any drops of black in you, then you are black quinnox Apr 2014 #21

I view him as my Awesome President madokie Apr 2014 #25

I don't think it is true that less than a third view him as black Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #27

Exactly my complaint about that poll CreekDog Apr 2014 #37

I've heard him SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #29

I had forgotten that song grasswire Apr 2014 #36

Yes, I've heard him identify as African-American, too. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #43

A human of mixed race. But here's the most important question, IMHO: AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #33

A little bit of this and a little bit of that Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #34

black and mixed-race n/t Enrique Apr 2014 #35

I don't care. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #38

OMG everyone is Pollyanna about this WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #40

High Elf chrisa Apr 2014 #41

Noldor, please. Maedhros Apr 2014 #45

President Barack Hussein Obama is a member of the HUMAN RACE. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #42

Careful many on here would disagree on principle! whistler162 Apr 2014 #105

IF he is NOT human, he is Kryptonian MohRokTah Apr 2014 #107

Aren't you straying dangerously close to the dreaded "colorblindess", Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #44

how is saying that whatever race he considers himself *is* his race, how is that colorblindness? CreekDog Apr 2014 #51

It is in fact racism Scootaloo Apr 2014 #63

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #47

Try that one again? Scootaloo Apr 2014 #59

Yeah, SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #69

Thanks for the apology. elleng Apr 2014 #152

Race isn't a scientific concept, but people have the right to define themselves however they want struggle4progress Apr 2014 #48

+7,046,000,000 eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #54

Best reply in thread! gollygee Apr 2014 #165

Thanks for providing the correct answer. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #49

Why does this even matter? yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #50

Exactly liberal N proud Apr 2014 #53

Is that like "the artist formerly known as..."? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #57

Someone looked at me the other day and asked me how yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #61

it matters because people are imposing their own definitions of race on others CreekDog Apr 2014 #66

I guess to me it doesn't matter... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #72

i think you're confused. you think i asked about judging Obama based on his race. CreekDog Apr 2014 #74

No, I don't blame you for anything... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #80

The reason it was his "dream" was because it wasn't happening and they were being judged Number23 Apr 2014 #84

Yup, and the same with Jackie Robinson... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #90

I have no idea what your post means. Number23 Apr 2014 #91

Pehaps you can google yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #94

I still have no idea what your posts mean and judging by this post, I'm starting to think that Number23 Apr 2014 #95

no, the discussion isn't on what race the President is, it is on who should determine that CreekDog Apr 2014 #88

ah sou... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #92

As a mother of a multi-racial child, I personally don't like lables. notadmblnd Apr 2014 #143

Yes. I appreciate what you've written. CreekDog Apr 2014 #145

black. race is a social construct, therefore his own ethnic identity trumps La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #52

"belief in genetics"? redgreenandblue Apr 2014 #163

belief in racial genetics La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #191

i agree, i'm sorry i didn't make that point more clearly CreekDog Apr 2014 #174

i was just rephrasing your point La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #196

amen uponit7771 Apr 2014 #186

Irish. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #55

there's no one as Irish as Barack O'Bama treestar Apr 2014 #129

I'm still trying to figure out why pedestrians can't be more careful when they cross streets... NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #56

Human sakabatou Apr 2014 #58

I did a post about this a while ago. May have been the last time I bothered to create an OP in GD Number23 Apr 2014 #62

See my post #159 on the malleability of identity Hekate Apr 2014 #160

Whatever he decides on, I will go with. Rex Apr 2014 #67

Cablanasian. KamaAina Apr 2014 #70

Human? Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #73

Human race. MineralMan Apr 2014 #79

if Obama says he's black do you correct him? CreekDog Apr 2014 #81

I do not believe that races exist. MineralMan Apr 2014 #83

Unfortunately, those "artificial, man-made distinctions" have profound social consequences... YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #132

but you refer to racial classifications in other posts CreekDog Apr 2014 #137

They exist as social constructs gollygee Apr 2014 #141

If they exist solely as social constructs then how do you explain the differences in disease Revanchist Apr 2014 #162

There are diseases that are prevalent primarily or completely in gollygee Apr 2014 #164

Does he say black race or just black? nt Edim Apr 2014 #109

The Indianapolis 500? kwassa Apr 2014 #87

If he was not President, and he was at the door ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #93

Samoan Islandurp Apr 2014 #98

American! whistler162 Apr 2014 #101

I really don't fucking care Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #102

He is a member of the human race. muntrv Apr 2014 #103

both qazplm Apr 2014 #104

He seems to appear to be a HUMAN.... Ecumenist Apr 2014 #106

i can't disagree CreekDog Apr 2014 #112

There is only ONE race.....Homo sapiens PERIOD. I read the post and I do NOT Ecumenist Apr 2014 #121

you're saying race is only a scientific term, and you'd be wrong CreekDog Apr 2014 #126

Well, I guess for racists, it isn't a scientific term. So, I guess I can grudgingly Ecumenist Apr 2014 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Apr 2014 #131

Ooh Ooh Ooh! Pick me! cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #110

Obama self-identifies as black shanti Apr 2014 #113

If he wasn't famous, and he got pulled over by the LAPD... Iggo Apr 2014 #120

+1 !! exactly lunasun Apr 2014 #138

My eyes have seldom rolled as much gollygee Apr 2014 #122

I agree CreekDog Apr 2014 #123

Race is a cultural construct. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #125

Aren't we all? treestar Apr 2014 #127

I have heard right-wingers say "Congrats to America for electing its first half-white POTUS" YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #133

It's telling that a majority of white Americans think of him as "mixed race"... YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #135

One thing about the media that I've noticed when they speak about the President... PennsylvaniaMatt Apr 2014 #136

Both devils chaplain Apr 2014 #140

I don't give a shit to be honest but I am curious if the folks who say he is what he says he is TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #142

Who gives a fuck? n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #146

who gives a f---? well, many African Americans do, including this one: CreekDog Apr 2014 #149

Sorry, I don't sit around all day dwelling on what race the president is. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #150

well how would i know? CreekDog Apr 2014 #151

I like Cjeekdgg. NealK Apr 2014 #154

US perspective he is black flamingdem Apr 2014 #147

ILLUMINIZARD Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #148

You fool! Orrex Apr 2014 #173

After that thing with the fly, I've always suspected. chrisa Apr 2014 #189

lol... penultimate Apr 2014 #214

He refers to himself as African American. NealK Apr 2014 #153

Genetically there is only one human race... uriel1972 Apr 2014 #155

Hapa-haole. Mahalo for asking. Hekate Apr 2014 #159

I'm kinda curious as to what other mixed race people tend to view him as. JoeyT Apr 2014 #161

Black JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #182

I just love you! Number23 Apr 2014 #206

As Wanda Sykes would say . . . JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #215

mixed race = black... still.... because this is America. He would be profiled in front of his house uponit7771 Apr 2014 #187

Mixed race but still black. Period! nt kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #166

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2014 #188

Is he still white, period? Nt Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #197

Personally, I Don't Care fredamae Apr 2014 #183

The Indianapolis 500? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #192

Barack Obama said he was the Indianapolis 500? CreekDog Apr 2014 #195

Humor. Perhaps you've heard of it. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #199

humor is easier to identify when it's funny CreekDog Apr 2014 #212

I've heard him describe himself as bi-racial. Sivafae Apr 2014 #193

I view him as mixed race. LexVegas Apr 2014 #194

Human. Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #200

Half Dem/Half Oligarch? grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #201

The way things are today he is black. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #203

Mixed Glassunion Apr 2014 #204

YEP. And in fifty years most of us will look mixed. ancianita Apr 2014 #207

What do you think the OP's IQ is? idendoit Apr 2014 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Apr 2014 #209

ok bye CreekDog Apr 2014 #210

like me Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #211

AMAZING!!! penultimate Apr 2014 #213