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TeamsterDem

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28. Calling for a criminal to be charged in court is not seeking a head on a stick
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 02:21 AM
Mar 2012

It's called seeking justice. I don't want Zimmerman to treated unfairly; I want him to have a trial, a fair one. And I wouldn't want his CCW yanked until and unless he's convicted of a crime. How you arrive at any of that wanting a head on a stick is absurd.

The compendium of facts in this case holds many curiosities, but none as damning as the fact that a civilian armed himself, pursued an individual in clear disregard of police instructions, and at some point - according to Zimmerman himself - voluntarily left his vehicle to pursue a citizen, and at some point shot an unarmed person. How that - the undisputed facts of the case - don't bring a criminal charge is simply inexplicable and wrong. Even assuming Zimmerman was an actual neighborhood watch block captain - something under a decent amount of doubt in terms of the watch's recognition as such - that didn't give him the authority to carry a weapon (on that "duty&quot or to pursue and confront another civilian. As he started the confrontation with his pursuit, he should need to defend that action in court; the presumption of justifiability doesn't even seem in-keeping with "stand your ground" considering that he caused the confrontation to happen, not Trayvon.

I'm not sure the "PD agreed" with making a charge, as the police chief made several statements in support of not charging him. The lead investigator seems to have wanted to charge him, but I'm not convinced he constitutes the entirety of the PD's thinking.

With respect to forensics, the mere fact that they didn't perform a toxicology assessment of Zimmerman at least suggests ineptitude - certainly at least in terms of ever knowing if Zimmerman was perfectly sober that night.

They did not arrest him, they interviewed him: An interview which, according to the police report, includes Zimmerman's inherent admission of pursuing Trayvon in his truck and on foot, doing so armed. It's for reasons such as that why they voted no-confidence in the police because they rather clearly bungled the case.

I don't know what the law is where you live, but where I live if you pursue an individual without being a commissioned law enforcement officer, you then don't get to claim self-defense because, of course, your mere pursuit of them appears menacing, thus giving them a very legitimate self-defense motive of their own. If that occurred here you'd be a defendant in court for at least some criminal charge, whether it was manslaughter or homicide would of course depend on the facts the police gathered. But your pursuit would be its own menace, not to mention that you didn't follow police instructions and as a "neighborhood watchman" had no legal authority to pursue anyone.

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Hard to get the death penalty when you haven't even been arrested. Rex Mar 2012 #1
I'm expecting him to get arrested Enrique Mar 2012 #3
I have to admit, I am starting to wonder. Rex Mar 2012 #4
I was just about to google her. grasswire Mar 2012 #27
"too much focus on Zimmerman"??? zbdent Mar 2012 #2
I think the poster's point is this: A hate crime was commmitted. The police let the man walk free!!! robinlynne Mar 2012 #8
Agreed. The Sanford PD are the repeat offenders here. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #5
The Sanford police cover-up is almost as bad as the crime. Democrats_win Mar 2012 #6
Come now, the police don't cover things up ... (sarcasm) zbdent Mar 2012 #36
The coverup is WORSE than the crime. Which points to a solution... saras Mar 2012 #7
not only that, but I'm willing to bet Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #10
Chief Bill Lee didn't really step down TacoD Mar 2012 #9
Actually the decision not to arrest him was made by the State Attorney ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #11
No. There was a corpse. Until the facts are sorted out EFerrari Mar 2012 #12
So anyone who kills someone in self defense goes to jail until they are cleared? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #13
Agreed. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #14
The mere fact that he wasn't arrested is exactly the point to me TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #15
Have you read the published police report? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #16
Good point, but he was still not charged TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #17
The original DA and now the new one are going the Grand Jury route ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #18
uh huh, and what does that mean? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #19
It means that two different state attorneys are/were unwilling to order Zimmerman's arrest ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #20
I want no one's head on a stick TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #21
"All Accounts" at this point appear to be conjecture at best ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #23
Calling for a criminal to be charged in court is not seeking a head on a stick TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #28
No but slagging others is ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #31
Speaking of conjecture, being questioned is most certainly NOT the same as being arrested TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #32
Depends on the perspective ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #33
Guy, the link between questioning and arrests doesn't exist no matter how hard you strain TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #34
I think the original DA Blue_Roses Mar 2012 #22
Posted here ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #24
I disagree Blue_Roses Mar 2012 #25
Then we will have to agree to disagree ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #26
That may be true, but as high-profile as this Blue_Roses Mar 2012 #30
It is not up to the prosecutor to find the truth. grasswire Mar 2012 #29
Not enough focus on any real "law" enforcement anywhere just1voice Mar 2012 #35
I absolutely agree gvstn Mar 2012 #37
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