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oldhippie

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112. Really?

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 10:34 PM

Apr 2014

But unless you have some other viable hypothesis to explain global warming, you're just another climate change denier in sheep's clothing.

No where do I deny climate change, so I think calling me a climate change denier is untrue and could almost be considered an ad hominem attack. I sincerely believe the climate is changing. To me it's a fact.

I'll even go so far as to say that I think it is probably (i.e. a high probability) anthropogenic, but that hasn't reached the criteria for "fact" by my definition. But I'd be willing to bet money on it.

And I do think there is a need to limit consumption of fossil fuels. And it WILL happen. One way or another.

And no, I don't need some other viable hypothesis to explain global climate change. Not my job. But the Second Law of Thermodynamics also works fine for me.

Oh, and I don't really give a rat's patootie about what is useful to Exxon or the Koch brothers. Skepticism is usually probably (there's that word again) useful to somebody.

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Studies show that most Americans reject facts when [View all] Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 OP

like the birth certificate crap JI7 Apr 2014 #1

Or Jesus riding dinosaurs. ErikJ Apr 2014 #99

Oh yeah, because MOST of us believe that, right?..It's featured at Harvard whathehell Apr 2014 #132

Or many liberals and nuclear power. fbc Apr 2014 #115

No Enthusiast Apr 2014 #125

Just because someone sides with conservatives on a single issue like nuclear power... kristopher Apr 2014 #127

DU is full of paid RW sockpuppets. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #128

Unbelieving Is Hard cantbeserious Apr 2014 #2

Esp when some people haven't reached the age Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #65

Yeah, but that's just science. I don't buy it. postulater Apr 2014 #3

My opinion is as valid as your facts. DetlefK Apr 2014 #5

The study speaks of a "human tendency"..it says nothing about Americans whathehell Apr 2014 #135

It's important to teach critical thinking skills to people when they're young. eShirl Apr 2014 #4

The only way we can solve Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #7

And if the problem is The2ndWheel Apr 2014 #11

Then I suggest we read Shakespeare again Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #12

Bullshit! Orrex Apr 2014 #6

Orrex....... Nay Apr 2014 #24

You beat me to it. LOL. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #31

The study never MENTIONS Americans..It talks about a "human tendency". whathehell Apr 2014 #87

Well. You certainly told me. Orrex Apr 2014 #88

I'm simply pointing out the facts.. whathehell Apr 2014 #90

But I didn't express an opinion one way or the other. Orrex Apr 2014 #91

Actually, you did.. whathehell Apr 2014 #93

Ah. Orrex Apr 2014 #94

I really enjoyed this subthread! IronLionZion Apr 2014 #105

Ah whathehell Apr 2014 #131

So, confronted with the fact that it's not that important to me... Orrex Apr 2014 #138

Um, no..You see, a possibility you don't seem to have entertained is whathehell Apr 2014 #146

Yet you continue to post replies to address my unimportant reaction. Orrex Apr 2014 #147

As you do mine... whathehell Apr 2014 #148

But I didn't insult you by questioning your importance Orrex Apr 2014 #150

No, you insulted me by labeling me whathehell Apr 2014 #152

Blame my phone for its profoujd typos Orrex Apr 2014 #153

Whatever, bro.. whathehell Apr 2014 #154

So how did you do the staircase of shrugs in #91? Would love to know progree Apr 2014 #124

Simple. I tilted my phone 45� while typing Orrex Apr 2014 #137

In other words, propaganda works n2doc Apr 2014 #8

Not necessarily. OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #121

"The best argument against democracy sailfla Apr 2014 #9

The best argument against democracy... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #29

Plus one! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #126

Fake quote. And is a nation better off WITHOUT a vote? nt alp227 Apr 2014 #83

the second best argument shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #123

Thank you...It's important to note that the OP's headline is misleading, as whathehell Apr 2014 #133

Excellent article, thanks for posting. madaboutharry Apr 2014 #10

It might be, but the subject line is entirely misleading..It says nothing about "Americans", only whathehell Apr 2014 #92

The study shows a Human tendency to reject facts, not an "American" one.. whathehell Apr 2014 #13

Wrong....All the studies were on Americans Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #14

None of this implies it's limited to Americans mythology Apr 2014 #16

A perfectly reasonable hypothethis, and further studies could be done controlled for nationality. eShirl Apr 2014 #20

Further studies could be done controlled for nationality, but as they have NOT been, whathehell Apr 2014 #134

Do your own study to Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #23

It's basic human psychology. You think you are exempt? KittyWampus Apr 2014 #34

Thank you Ms Science Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #37

No. It really is basic psychology. And it includes everyone. Look Up- Confirmation Bias KittyWampus Apr 2014 #40

Yes resistance is there Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #43

No, but it's not just limited to Americans. Lex Apr 2014 #61

So this is side thread Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #62

Your post proves the point about Confirmation Bias. Lex Apr 2014 #63

Seems somewhat petulant to ask that after replying with "Ms Science" LanternWaste Apr 2014 #78

The irony neffernin Apr 2014 #118

Your subject line is MISLEADING and you know it..The study says zero about Americans whathehell Apr 2014 #136

This subthread illustrates a big part of the problem - what's a fact? oldhippie Apr 2014 #50

I'm trusting the scientific process naturallyselected Apr 2014 #103

That's exactly what I was illustrating oldhippie Apr 2014 #109

From the standpoint of Exxon or the Koch brothers pscot Apr 2014 #111

Really? oldhippie Apr 2014 #112

Your position is that of a "climate change denier" kristopher Apr 2014 #129

Hey, it's my buddy kristopher ...... oldhippie Apr 2014 #139

The position is what the position is. kristopher Apr 2014 #140

Obstruct action? oldhippie Apr 2014 #141

You wrote the words, you own the position. kristopher Apr 2014 #142

Bye now .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #143

+1 kristopher Apr 2014 #145

Why are you being so rude? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #81

The thing is, occasionally a study will find an assumption to be incorrect against all common sense. eShirl Apr 2014 #52

The excerpt you quote in the OP says this: Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #45

Alert on me then Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #46

Thus illustrating the point you're making in the OP. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #73

There are stupid Russians, South Koreans, French, South Africans, snooper2 Apr 2014 #54

As is the thread you nominated. Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #58

That was out of the blue.. snooper2 Apr 2014 #64

IN my travels I find Americans are about the least believers in conspiracy AngryAmish Apr 2014 #89

That's intriguing. If I were to produce a study from elsewhere, would that reinforce your belief? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #70

Her "assertions" are the simple facts of how a study is properly done, duh. whathehell Apr 2014 #149

News in the US besides the internet Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #30

Thank you. The study says NOTHING about "Americans" -- It speaks only of a human tendency whathehell Apr 2014 #84

Don't know much about research, do you?..Unless the study used 'control' groups of other ethnicities whathehell Apr 2014 #67

It is indeed very possible that this is a human trait and not specifically American gollygee Apr 2014 #25

Exactly, and I would disagree with the notion that whathehell Apr 2014 #71

absolutely florida08 Apr 2014 #15

Fact or fiction Augiedog Apr 2014 #17

We receive too much information and don't have the time to sort it all out. A Simple Game Apr 2014 #18

With Corporate control over the media, except the internet, truedelphi Apr 2014 #82

Fox News has made a living out of this NewJeffCT Apr 2014 #19

I think you are far to narrow in your perspective ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #21

Report speaks to many here miyazaki Apr 2014 #22

Especially the climate doomers..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #97

Advertisers discovered this decades ago el_bryanto Apr 2014 #26

Sigmund Freud's cousin Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #32

I was thinking about the Man in the Hathaway Shirt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #38

Then the only thing I can think of to correct this... Neoma Apr 2014 #27

It is a human (not just American) trait (perhaps a weakness). NRaleighLiberal Apr 2014 #28

I suspect it is a function of biological intellect... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #53

This applies to you as well. It applies to me. It applies to everyone. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #33

I accept your call out....give me a link Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #35

Call Out? LOL! It's a basic human condition. We all do it. It's called "Confirmation Bias". KittyWampus Apr 2014 #41

You said I was guilty of it Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #44

You are doing an excellent job proving it yourself. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #51

It is kind of delicious how he's illustrating Confirmation Bias Lex Apr 2014 #75

So true...And it's pretty apparent pipi_k Apr 2014 #56

After we rise up and force them to enact campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections Dustlawyer Apr 2014 #36

The Comcast merger is very dangerous Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #39

Religious faith is the root of the problem. tridim Apr 2014 #42

Maybe... pipi_k Apr 2014 #57

Agree with this and it applies to more than just Americans maddezmom Apr 2014 #47

I found this to be decidely true LondonReign2 Apr 2014 #48

This is definitely true... nyabingi Apr 2014 #49

We use the phrase "...but I could be wrong" a lot in my immediate family. factsarenotfair Apr 2014 #55

I think that phrase pipi_k Apr 2014 #60

:) It does work wonders in my family! factsarenotfair Apr 2014 #76

It's a human psychology trait, not just Americans. Lex Apr 2014 #59

The Agencies have been studying this for a long time hootinholler Apr 2014 #66

I'm always right ...except when I'm wrong ...but we won't go there. L0oniX Apr 2014 #68

Mistakes were made....but not by me! YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #69

Trayvon Martin, anyone? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #72

OH BOY.... another study for the gullible! whistler162 Apr 2014 #74

Most Americans are fully conditioned propaganda responders Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #77

More than others?...You'll have to prove that because this study does not and doesn't even try to whathehell Apr 2014 #85

I guess you missed the part about "cognitive dissonance" Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #104

I guess whathehell Apr 2014 #130

I reached that conclusion a while ago. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #79

You can't fix stupid n/t albino65 Apr 2014 #80

Will Rogers once said florida08 Apr 2014 #86

That about sums it up. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #114

The problem is that most misinformed people rarely pay any consequence at all... MrScorpio Apr 2014 #95

This may definitely be true for some, factually speaking..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #96

There are those that don't want to think. They want to be told. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #98

DU, unfortunately, is void of science based posters, anymore. HuckleB Apr 2014 #100

I have even had that happen years ago here on DU bluestateguy Apr 2014 #101

especially when it comes to saying women are as human as men? MisterP Apr 2014 #102

See what you want to see. Hear what you want to hear. A trick as old as time itself. blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #106

And that is why critical thinking skills are so desperately needed. Rex Apr 2014 #107

One of the many reasons why the RW has used polarization as a central strategy since wiggs Apr 2014 #108

There is plenty of incentive for paying attention to facts. JEFF9K Apr 2014 #110

Which is what we in the states call "Fox News". Initech Apr 2014 #113

Rigid Thinkers Can Become Bellicose, Belligerent Bullies . . . cer7711 Apr 2014 #116

So I noticed. I used to know someone like this before he died. n/t deafskeptic Apr 2014 #119

Republicans have know this for YEARS.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #117

A good example of how data gained from a study can be used as hyperbole... yawnmaster Apr 2014 #120

That kind of cuts both ways, doesn't it? ucrdem Apr 2014 #122

this is not a purely american phenomenon. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #144

This piece covers the issue very well: The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science. HuckleB Apr 2014 #151