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In reply to the discussion: If You Can Stop Circling the Wagons Around the ACA, There is Someone I Would Like You To Meet [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)118. All you have to do is look to history. Obama did, and that's why he took the path he took.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
....Bill Clinton had campaigned heavily on health care in the 1992 U.S. presidential election. The task force was created in January 1993, but its own processes were somewhat controversial and drew litigation. Its goal was to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda. A major health care speech was delivered by President Clinton to the U.S. Congress in September 1993. The core element of the proposed plan was an enforced mandate for employers to provide health insurance coverage to all of their employees.
Opposition to the plan was heavy from conservatives, libertarians, and the health insurance industry. The industry produced a highly effective television ad, "Harry and Louise", in an effort to rally public support against the plan. Instead of uniting behind the President's original proposal, Democrats offered a number of competing plans of their own. Hillary Clinton was drafted by the Clinton Administration to head a new Task Force and sell the plan to the American people, a plan which ultimately backfired amid the barrage of fire from the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries and considerably diminished her own popularity. By September 1994, the final compromise Democratic bill was declared dead by Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell.
....Bill Clinton had campaigned heavily on health care in the 1992 U.S. presidential election. The task force was created in January 1993, but its own processes were somewhat controversial and drew litigation. Its goal was to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda. A major health care speech was delivered by President Clinton to the U.S. Congress in September 1993. The core element of the proposed plan was an enforced mandate for employers to provide health insurance coverage to all of their employees.
Opposition to the plan was heavy from conservatives, libertarians, and the health insurance industry. The industry produced a highly effective television ad, "Harry and Louise", in an effort to rally public support against the plan. Instead of uniting behind the President's original proposal, Democrats offered a number of competing plans of their own. Hillary Clinton was drafted by the Clinton Administration to head a new Task Force and sell the plan to the American people, a plan which ultimately backfired amid the barrage of fire from the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries and considerably diminished her own popularity. By September 1994, the final compromise Democratic bill was declared dead by Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell.
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If You Can Stop Circling the Wagons Around the ACA, There is Someone I Would Like You To Meet [View all]
McCamy Taylor
Apr 2014
OP
Who is preventing the holes in the ACA from being fixed? Republicans or Democrats?
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#1
Exactly, if OP wants to draw the line on issues with Democratic thinking, blaming Democrats for GOP
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#54
it IS obama's fault he is black. or is parents fault. presidenting while black.
pansypoo53219
Apr 2014
#111
I benefit from the ACA. I also don't think that it is the end all and be all of healthcare.
4lbs
Apr 2014
#6
Obama should have allowed the single payer advocates to participate in the meetings
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#18
That ain't why we didn't get single payer. And it ain't why "Opal" is hurting.
SunSeeker
Apr 2014
#19
Would her Deductible have been less under the bronze plan magically in California?
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#67
No, slang is certainly allowed, I just find it is often a sign of a complete lack of education
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#88
I was taught differently in school, but then again they also did not teach creationism here
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#113
They don't teach creationism in UK, either--and at least one of those dictionaries is British.
MADem
Apr 2014
#116
Of course, their presence would not have magically overcome GOP objections.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#114
All you have to do is look to history. Obama did, and that's why he took the path he took.
MADem
Apr 2014
#118
Oh bullshit on your.. "Obama did not have the courage to do".. you have no idea the kind of courage
Cha
Apr 2014
#123
SheShe I am finally beginning to understand why a certain cadre here absolutely despises the BOG
Number23
Apr 2014
#85
so Perry being a supporter of private free markets with no regulation is not a problem ?
JI7
Apr 2014
#29
It appears nobody gets how low income workers can't afford to use the insurance
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#68
Not to mention that we already knew the Republicans are assholes. We expected no less
GoneFishin
Apr 2014
#40
I think you "miss the point". "Medicare" isn't even being debated here. It's Medicaid.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#69
There was a minor change implemented in March and April. So no, it wont be decades.
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#52
Why do people always think incrementalism runs in a progressive direction?
BlindTiresias
Apr 2014
#65
Well, golly gee, I was in a Mass General ICU yesterday at the bedside of a very ill relative,
MADem
Apr 2014
#57
Your "circling the wagons" title suggests Dems are ignoring people the GOP governors are killing.
SunSeeker
Apr 2014
#21
Ah, but that would mean going against the 'tough guy' GOP instead of the 'weak' Dems. I've seen how
freshwest
Apr 2014
#63
i support the ACA because its the best thing that sad congress could approve. we should have
dionysus
Apr 2014
#33
First time insured are the constituency who will eventually get us single payer
IronLionZion
Apr 2014
#34
The information about the bronze plan has been available from the day plans were available.
Ms. Toad
Apr 2014
#36
Thanks for digging that up ProSense. Seems the o.p. vanished, and isn't taking questions. The.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#71
Posted on two sites and didn't respond to comments/feedback in either. That is too weird
Number23
Apr 2014
#84
I had similar results in Nebraska and was vociferously attacked for raising the point.
ReverendDeuce
Apr 2014
#44
They blew an epic opportunity in 2009-2010, and the fan club has become too emotionally committed
Doctor_J
Apr 2014
#47
THANK! YOU! Seems the o.p. dropped this on us, and ran for the exits? Hasn't responded once.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#64
I don't think there's any real response to our objections to this turd of a tale.
MADem
Apr 2014
#76
Surely, no one would waste their time & ours, making this shit up, right?????!!!
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#81
It stretches credulity, and after I read ProSense's response, I knew this story was pure unadultered
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#83
How about the bigger situation which has always been health care for all?
Corruption Inc
Apr 2014
#77
Thank you Skinner! SCOTUS is the source of most of opur problems today. Why 2014 elections
kelliekat44
Apr 2014
#96
I think the OP was referring to people who don't believe or even want to discuss these stories.
Blue Diadem
Apr 2014
#110
The ACA is not enough. Better than doing nothing, but still insufficient.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#80
73 people recced this thread without realizing it was a hit-and-run post
scheming daemons
Apr 2014
#108
Yup. How does that saying go? "You can fool some of the people all of the time...."
SunSeeker
Apr 2014
#112