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3. I suspect some people in eastern Ukraine and Crimea have been stirred up

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:03 PM

Apr 2014

by being manipulated with Russian propaganda not unlike our Fox "News." The use of the term "fascist" is intended to push people's buttons, just like the use of "commie" in the U.S. It is just a b.s. excuse.

Putin wants to take back all of what used to be the Soviet Union. This sneaky, bit-by-bit capture of Ukraine by his terrorists is part of his plan. He doesn't want to compromise and he has demonstrated that clearly. How can Ukraine compromise with a Russia that has no intention of compromising?

Putin's idea of compromise is to aim a group of tanks at a given area and claim it. This is not compromise. This is a euphemism for invasion and conquest.

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The situation in Ukraine. My take. [View all] newthinking Apr 2014 OP

My take........ ballyhoo Apr 2014 #1

Banks? Did someone say banks? Catherina Apr 2014 #47

+1000. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #55

Yep. And after HR 2847 ballyhoo Apr 2014 #57

Thanks. It goes well with Manny's latest rant Catherina Apr 2014 #60

I agree with this - TBF Apr 2014 #58

and her cookies of the apocolypse? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #64

UN Investigators say what you said isn't true... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #2

No, they said they did not find many "incidents". That is not what my OP said. Empathy is the key to newthinking Apr 2014 #7

No, you said, the East feels that way...as if it were widespread... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #9

They do, no matter how much the media wants to spin it newthinking Apr 2014 #12

UN? malaise Apr 2014 #23

I suspect some people in eastern Ukraine and Crimea have been stirred up LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #3

It's not just propaganda Xithras Apr 2014 #14

Russia believed to have plans to split Ukraine in three Iterate Apr 2014 #16

Any old excuse would do for Putin nt LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #48

i don't have the information before me now Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #61

That was an 11th hour ploy to wreck the agreement after six years of negotiations. Iterate Apr 2014 #63

8%. jeff47 Apr 2014 #4

Well there is this little problem that they are in executive positions and heading National Security newthinking Apr 2014 #8

Yes, 8% means they utterly dominate the country's government jeff47 Apr 2014 #13

Right. Fair elections without a free press and with the opposition party in distress newthinking Apr 2014 #20

So we don't have any free elections then? jeff47 Apr 2014 #46

I think it is healthy to question any government that puts Neo-Nazi's in executive positions newthinking Apr 2014 #26

+1 840high Apr 2014 #28

I think it's important to actually deal with reality jeff47 Apr 2014 #42

No one defending Russia has any right to call anyone else (or defend others calling) Fascist. stevenleser Apr 2014 #5

Right Sector and Svoboda are still in high government positions. How is that not provocative? newthinking Apr 2014 #10

See Jeff47's #13 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #15

It doesn't matter how little people claim they represent if they are in positions of power newthinking Apr 2014 #18

Then you should have a bigger problem with Russia. Most of Putin's government is antisemitic and stevenleser Apr 2014 #19

I don't view this through a cold war lens. I am talking about Ukraine newthinking Apr 2014 #21

Your post is a non-sequitur. Most of Putin's government is antisemitic and homophobic. stevenleser Apr 2014 #22

You just can't defend it can you? I am still waiting for your answer newthinking Apr 2014 #24

I do not accept your attempt to change the subject. Look at my original post in this thread. stevenleser Apr 2014 #53

Meanwhile Putin's fascist United Russia party controls pretty much EVERYTHING. Adrahil Apr 2014 #62

+100! LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #49

but they aren't the US/West qazplm Apr 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Apr 2014 #65

What does Ukraine offer over Russia? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #6

So that explains all the Mexicans demanding the US annex Mexico. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #27

They would if they could LittleBlue Apr 2014 #29

Most Eastern Ukrainians are *not* ethnic Russians. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #30

But enough are LittleBlue Apr 2014 #31

Well...17% are. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #32

When you need 51% to secede LittleBlue Apr 2014 #33

Actually the Ukrainian government was more than willing.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #35

What's to discuss? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #37

See my other post. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #38

Especially at gunpoint/tankpoint nt LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #52

So according to you it would seem that a group of well armed Southerners LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #51

Since neither of us can speak for eastern Ukrainians LittleBlue Apr 2014 #34

I don't believe a country should ever be forced into a referendum.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #36

So by your reasoning LittleBlue Apr 2014 #39

Well, I know its not 90%. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #40

Without a referendum LittleBlue Apr 2014 #41

Are we talking about Eastern Ukrainians or Russians here? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #43

I was not going to get involved nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #44

So under what conditions should eastern Ukrainians be allowed LittleBlue Apr 2014 #45

You want a serious answer? Putin will not like it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #50

Well put. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #56

I could have used the recent one in Africa nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #59

THE BOLSHEVIK PARTY IN THE PERIOD OF FOREIGN MILITARY INTERVENTION AND CIVIL WAR (1918 - 1920) FarCenter Apr 2014 #11

Russia has become stronger Hutzpa Apr 2014 #17

I don't think a Ukrainian civil war is the greatest threat here. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #25