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16. Russia believed to have plans to split Ukraine in three
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:59 PM
Apr 2014
Russia believed to have plans to split Ukraine in three
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 15/04/2014
Reporter: Emma Alberici
Video and Transcript

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EMMA ALBERICI: Reports say as many as 10 towns and cities in the east have now been seized. How much of the country do you suspect Russia wants to take?

TARAS BEREZOVETS: We have evidence this is from Ukrainian intelligence SZRU, who says that several Russian intelligence officers have been already captured in eastern regions of Ukraine and in Kiev itself and according to the plans, interrogations which have been made with Russian military agents, Russia has a plan to split Ukraine in three parts. Basically the plan is about they're not going to go any further in western parts of Ukraine, so called the Halychyna, it's 70 Ukrainian regions, they're planning to occupy southern and eastern regions which probably they're going to organise some sort of referendum which was held in Crimea three weeks ago in order to create some sort of independent Donetsk state in this regions.

As for the central Ukraine, including Kiev, Russia has a plan to organise some sort of independent Ukraine, planning to bring former president Viktor Yanukovych again. Russia's State Duma deputy Vladimir Zhirinovsky, stated yesterday that according to the Russian plans Yanukovych is planning to be back in Kiev with Russian troops by 1st of May.
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EMMA ALBERICI: And finally, both the 'New York Times' and the 'Guardian' have asked in recent headlines if Ukraine might be the next Yugoslavia. From the US and the European perspective, are there lessons from Yugoslavia to be considered today in Ukraine, do you think?

TARAS BEREZOVETS: I think this crisis, if everything happens like it happens these days, this crisis would be well a huge catastrophe both, for Ukraine, for Russia and for European Union. Because in this case we would see millions of refugees fleeing, well escaping from Kiev and central Ukraine in direction to European Union. And I think the size of this catastrophe would be that big that circumstances of this war we can feel in 20 or 30 years.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s3986396.htm


People seem to have quickly forgotten that the Original or Cardinal Sin for Ukraine was simply asking for a relatively low level trade Association Agreement with the EU, an agreement which had been initialed two years ago after four more years of negotiation. It would not preclude trade with Russia, but it would necessarily preclude a Customs Union Agreement with them.

A sovereign nation making a trade agreement: that's it, that's all it took. People had an expectation that it would be completed.

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The situation in Ukraine. My take. [View all] newthinking Apr 2014 OP
My take........ ballyhoo Apr 2014 #1
Banks? Did someone say banks? Catherina Apr 2014 #47
+1000. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #55
Yep. And after HR 2847 ballyhoo Apr 2014 #57
Thanks. It goes well with Manny's latest rant Catherina Apr 2014 #60
I agree with this - TBF Apr 2014 #58
and her cookies of the apocolypse? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #64
UN Investigators say what you said isn't true... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #2
No, they said they did not find many "incidents". That is not what my OP said. Empathy is the key to newthinking Apr 2014 #7
No, you said, the East feels that way...as if it were widespread... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #9
They do, no matter how much the media wants to spin it newthinking Apr 2014 #12
UN? malaise Apr 2014 #23
I suspect some people in eastern Ukraine and Crimea have been stirred up LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #3
It's not just propaganda Xithras Apr 2014 #14
Russia believed to have plans to split Ukraine in three Iterate Apr 2014 #16
Any old excuse would do for Putin nt LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #48
i don't have the information before me now Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #61
That was an 11th hour ploy to wreck the agreement after six years of negotiations. Iterate Apr 2014 #63
8%. jeff47 Apr 2014 #4
Well there is this little problem that they are in executive positions and heading National Security newthinking Apr 2014 #8
Yes, 8% means they utterly dominate the country's government jeff47 Apr 2014 #13
Right. Fair elections without a free press and with the opposition party in distress newthinking Apr 2014 #20
So we don't have any free elections then? jeff47 Apr 2014 #46
I think it is healthy to question any government that puts Neo-Nazi's in executive positions newthinking Apr 2014 #26
+1 840high Apr 2014 #28
I think it's important to actually deal with reality jeff47 Apr 2014 #42
No one defending Russia has any right to call anyone else (or defend others calling) Fascist. stevenleser Apr 2014 #5
Right Sector and Svoboda are still in high government positions. How is that not provocative? newthinking Apr 2014 #10
See Jeff47's #13 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #15
It doesn't matter how little people claim they represent if they are in positions of power newthinking Apr 2014 #18
Then you should have a bigger problem with Russia. Most of Putin's government is antisemitic and stevenleser Apr 2014 #19
I don't view this through a cold war lens. I am talking about Ukraine newthinking Apr 2014 #21
Your post is a non-sequitur. Most of Putin's government is antisemitic and homophobic. stevenleser Apr 2014 #22
You just can't defend it can you? I am still waiting for your answer newthinking Apr 2014 #24
I do not accept your attempt to change the subject. Look at my original post in this thread. stevenleser Apr 2014 #53
Meanwhile Putin's fascist United Russia party controls pretty much EVERYTHING. Adrahil Apr 2014 #62
+100! LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #49
but they aren't the US/West qazplm Apr 2014 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Apr 2014 #65
What does Ukraine offer over Russia? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #6
So that explains all the Mexicans demanding the US annex Mexico. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #27
They would if they could LittleBlue Apr 2014 #29
Most Eastern Ukrainians are *not* ethnic Russians. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #30
But enough are LittleBlue Apr 2014 #31
Well...17% are. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #32
When you need 51% to secede LittleBlue Apr 2014 #33
Actually the Ukrainian government was more than willing.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #35
What's to discuss? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #37
See my other post. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #38
Especially at gunpoint/tankpoint nt LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #52
So according to you it would seem that a group of well armed Southerners LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #51
Since neither of us can speak for eastern Ukrainians LittleBlue Apr 2014 #34
I don't believe a country should ever be forced into a referendum.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #36
So by your reasoning LittleBlue Apr 2014 #39
Well, I know its not 90%. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #40
Without a referendum LittleBlue Apr 2014 #41
Are we talking about Eastern Ukrainians or Russians here? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #43
I was not going to get involved nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #44
So under what conditions should eastern Ukrainians be allowed LittleBlue Apr 2014 #45
You want a serious answer? Putin will not like it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #50
Well put. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #56
I could have used the recent one in Africa nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #59
THE BOLSHEVIK PARTY IN THE PERIOD OF FOREIGN MILITARY INTERVENTION AND CIVIL WAR (1918 - 1920) FarCenter Apr 2014 #11
Russia has become stronger Hutzpa Apr 2014 #17
I don't think a Ukrainian civil war is the greatest threat here. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #25
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