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57. Yep. And after HR 2847

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:16 PM

Apr 2014

goes into effect July 1, 2014, it's going to be a whole new ballgame and folks are going to know all about banks. They control everything and need something big to happen. Personally, I think Putin and maybe someone else is involved with a banking cartel trying to solve a bunch of problems all at once. Been debating it for three days now so going to take a pass. Have certainly enjoyed your reports over the years. You could have actually done this for for money...oh, there we go...banks again. Can't get away from them.

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The situation in Ukraine. My take. [View all] newthinking Apr 2014 OP

My take........ ballyhoo Apr 2014 #1

Banks? Did someone say banks? Catherina Apr 2014 #47

+1000. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #55

Yep. And after HR 2847 ballyhoo Apr 2014 #57

Thanks. It goes well with Manny's latest rant Catherina Apr 2014 #60

I agree with this - TBF Apr 2014 #58

and her cookies of the apocolypse? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #64

UN Investigators say what you said isn't true... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #2

No, they said they did not find many "incidents". That is not what my OP said. Empathy is the key to newthinking Apr 2014 #7

No, you said, the East feels that way...as if it were widespread... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #9

They do, no matter how much the media wants to spin it newthinking Apr 2014 #12

UN? malaise Apr 2014 #23

I suspect some people in eastern Ukraine and Crimea have been stirred up LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #3

It's not just propaganda Xithras Apr 2014 #14

Russia believed to have plans to split Ukraine in three Iterate Apr 2014 #16

Any old excuse would do for Putin nt LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #48

i don't have the information before me now Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #61

That was an 11th hour ploy to wreck the agreement after six years of negotiations. Iterate Apr 2014 #63

8%. jeff47 Apr 2014 #4

Well there is this little problem that they are in executive positions and heading National Security newthinking Apr 2014 #8

Yes, 8% means they utterly dominate the country's government jeff47 Apr 2014 #13

Right. Fair elections without a free press and with the opposition party in distress newthinking Apr 2014 #20

So we don't have any free elections then? jeff47 Apr 2014 #46

I think it is healthy to question any government that puts Neo-Nazi's in executive positions newthinking Apr 2014 #26

+1 840high Apr 2014 #28

I think it's important to actually deal with reality jeff47 Apr 2014 #42

No one defending Russia has any right to call anyone else (or defend others calling) Fascist. stevenleser Apr 2014 #5

Right Sector and Svoboda are still in high government positions. How is that not provocative? newthinking Apr 2014 #10

See Jeff47's #13 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #15

It doesn't matter how little people claim they represent if they are in positions of power newthinking Apr 2014 #18

Then you should have a bigger problem with Russia. Most of Putin's government is antisemitic and stevenleser Apr 2014 #19

I don't view this through a cold war lens. I am talking about Ukraine newthinking Apr 2014 #21

Your post is a non-sequitur. Most of Putin's government is antisemitic and homophobic. stevenleser Apr 2014 #22

You just can't defend it can you? I am still waiting for your answer newthinking Apr 2014 #24

I do not accept your attempt to change the subject. Look at my original post in this thread. stevenleser Apr 2014 #53

Meanwhile Putin's fascist United Russia party controls pretty much EVERYTHING. Adrahil Apr 2014 #62

+100! LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #49

but they aren't the US/West qazplm Apr 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Apr 2014 #65

What does Ukraine offer over Russia? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #6

So that explains all the Mexicans demanding the US annex Mexico. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #27

They would if they could LittleBlue Apr 2014 #29

Most Eastern Ukrainians are *not* ethnic Russians. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #30

But enough are LittleBlue Apr 2014 #31

Well...17% are. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #32

When you need 51% to secede LittleBlue Apr 2014 #33

Actually the Ukrainian government was more than willing.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #35

What's to discuss? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #37

See my other post. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #38

Especially at gunpoint/tankpoint nt LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #52

So according to you it would seem that a group of well armed Southerners LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #51

Since neither of us can speak for eastern Ukrainians LittleBlue Apr 2014 #34

I don't believe a country should ever be forced into a referendum.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #36

So by your reasoning LittleBlue Apr 2014 #39

Well, I know its not 90%. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #40

Without a referendum LittleBlue Apr 2014 #41

Are we talking about Eastern Ukrainians or Russians here? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #43

I was not going to get involved nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #44

So under what conditions should eastern Ukrainians be allowed LittleBlue Apr 2014 #45

You want a serious answer? Putin will not like it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #50

Well put. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #56

I could have used the recent one in Africa nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #59

THE BOLSHEVIK PARTY IN THE PERIOD OF FOREIGN MILITARY INTERVENTION AND CIVIL WAR (1918 - 1920) FarCenter Apr 2014 #11

Russia has become stronger Hutzpa Apr 2014 #17

I don't think a Ukrainian civil war is the greatest threat here. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #25