Why the Men's Rights Movement Is Garbage

[BainsBane]

259. "What are you going to support next"

I did not say I supported it. I asked which right was violated. Given you know noting about the French legal system, how can you claim rights are violated in the particular case of rape suspects vs. other criminal investigations? You don't know, nor do you care. Instead, your goal is to use a random bit of information to argue about the so-called evils of feminism. You have no evidence that feminism has anything to do with this, that rape suspects in that case are treated differently than suspects in any other criminal investigation in France.

Even if it were constitutional, which it is not, collecting DNA from random men in this country would do no good since we have tens of thousands of rape kits left unprocessed as it is. One city recently tested their backlog and identified dozens of serial rapists. Other jurisdictions haven't bothered.

I didn't ask what you thought about headscarves. I pointed out that you accuse feminist of not fulfilling their womanly duties by serving men by fighting for men's rights instead of their own, when you clearly are unconcerned about the legal rights of women in France, so unconcerned you can't bother to acquaint yourself on the most basic level. The topic has been discussed on this site numerous times. Where it is not covered is on MRA sites that point to the prosecution of rape as a great travesty against the male sex. Need I remind you that rape is a crime, not a gender. You yourself can't wait for a female rapist to be put in jail, even as you argue every single time that men accused of rape must be given all presumption of innocence that you never raise when referencing female assailants.

Prisons are too crowded because or DRUGS, not rapists. That you raise the issue of prison overpopulation in the context of rape shows your bias far outweighs your knowledge on the subject. Only 3 percent of rapes result in any jail time whatsoever, and some high profile cases have revealed jail terms as short as 30 days. That is exactly how MRA types want it because ultimately I suspect they believe women have no right to deny sex to them.

You most certainly did argue that a repeat rapist shouldn't be incarcerated. Here is the exchange.

Star Member BainsBane (24,836 posts)

3. THIS is rape culture

For all those who deny it's existence. Stories that show short sentences, cops not bothering to investigate, or serial rapists being released from jail to reoffend crop up all the time.

davidn3600 (2,729 posts)
10. Our recidivism is nearly 60% across the board of practially all crimes

The problem isn't just rapists...its the whole system. Our prison system does not fix people, it only makes them harder criminals. Our recidivism is among the worst in the modern world.

And please don't bring up this crap about men serving light sentences...it's been shot down.. Studies show women get up to 63% lighter sentences for the exact same crimes....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html

You want men to serve even longer? Where are you going to put them? We already have 5 times more prisoners per capita than China! And our state governments are out of money. In fact, California is now be ordered by the feds to release 10,000 prisoners because their prisons have reached 170% of capacity.

Im sorry...but prison is not going to solve your rape culture.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3223344

Punishing rapists isn't the solution. That what is? Shall we make that same argument for Wall Street criminals? Or are the rights of tape victims less important than those hurt by financial crimes? Or should we do away with the legal pretense that women have a right to decide with whom they have sex?

That 60 percent figure looks like an MRA talking point to me. How is it determined? Is it for the same crime with the same degree of violence? Or is it all sentences of women against all sentences of men? That you raise it in the context of rape makes me think it is the latter. DOJ stats reveal quite clearly that the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men. Yet somehow I suspect you are comparing numbers that aggregate female shoplifters and public drunks with felony assaults and murders committed by men.