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LiberalFighter

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89. What I don't get is how GZ is the innocent party

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:07 AM

Mar 2012

when he initiated the incident. And I don't trust his story when he has a degree in criminal justice and contact with the Sanford police department. He is likely to have enough knowledge to develop a story that would pass initial muster with a police investigation by that department. He just needed the right people in the police department with authority to dirty up the facts. There is even a question now that the Sanford PD were involved in witness tampering.

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If Trayvon was beating Zimmerman when he was shot ... [View all] GOTV Mar 2012 OP

no it doesn't make sense abelenkpe Mar 2012 #1

if Trayvon knocked Zimmerman down with one punch, and was pounding his head against the sidewalk Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #2

He didn't even have stitches. His story is crap. madaboutharry Mar 2012 #7

Also, if he had a broken nose DocMac Mar 2012 #26

And if Zimmerman was walking away how did Trayvon punch him in the nose? Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #29

I'm not buying it either. nt DocMac Mar 2012 #34

and why weren't these "witnesses" to GZ walking away (or being on the ground) zbdent Mar 2012 #43

I've never seen anyone that got punched in the nose Aerows Mar 2012 #77

Have you seen immediate post event photos of Zimmerman? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #81

I've yet to see one without a vicious bleed, either Aerows Mar 2012 #85

Have YOU seen a punch Aerows Mar 2012 #98

Yes, but not direct to the face ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #99

You are discussing the dojo Aerows Mar 2012 #104

That is not the legal standard ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #105

you need to read up on current events Aerows Mar 2012 #106

Actually I was posting links to it before I went to dinner ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #108

Okay. Aerows Mar 2012 #109

Ahhh that was 4 hours ago and the sushi was excellent. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #111

Good sushi is awesome Aerows Mar 2012 #112

Oh, and I forgot Aerows Mar 2012 #107

Well, at least I am better informed on these issues and was trying to separate truth from ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #110

No, "Professor" Aerows Mar 2012 #113

Right. And anyone in their right mind DocMac Mar 2012 #87

No photos Aerows Mar 2012 #91

I'm in complete agreement. DocMac Mar 2012 #96

No photos...that we know of ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #100

Yeah, I heard that claim that Trayvon was beating his head against the sidewalk ... GOTV Mar 2012 #8

The allegation is that they were struggling over the gun marshall Mar 2012 #20

That's interesting, how is a gun being fired during a struggle ... GOTV Mar 2012 #23

It was a 9mm and that sounds like a semi-auto. DocMac Mar 2012 #31

"If it was a semi-auto, he would just need to pull back the hammer and pull the trigger" Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #38

Oh, I see. DocMac Mar 2012 #54

Yep, you've got it. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #57

IIRC the police report said it was a Kel Tec ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #82

Could be he cleared it kudzu22 Mar 2012 #35

Yes, utter b/s. Any EMS crew would IMMEDIATELY transport a pt to the ER who K Gardner Mar 2012 #18

And as I pointed last night nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #24

Exactly. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #36

That is one of several official records that need to be seen ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #80

Yes CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #3

We're also asked to believe... Oilwellian Mar 2012 #4

Police believe Zimmerman was the one crying for help. dkf Mar 2012 #27

Witness to the incident emphatically believes otherwise... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #47

Another witness says otherwise ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #83

I tend to believe the person found to have more physical damage was probably the one yelling. dkf Mar 2012 #84

Trayvon Martin's mother thinks otherwise Oilwellian Mar 2012 #52

where was zimmerman when the shot was fired? grasswire Mar 2012 #5

Another good observatiion, there's no account were ZMan is standing uponit7771 Mar 2012 #9

I'm thinking that if Zimmerman had any injuries or grass stains at all, gkhouston Mar 2012 #14

Great observation, there's no realy good way to shoot someone with good aim if you're getting punche uponit7771 Mar 2012 #6

I imagine that would be tough. But if Trayvon were on top of him ... GOTV Mar 2012 #12

Yeah, but he would have to chamber a round. DocMac Mar 2012 #32

Unless a round was chambered. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #39

Right. But post #20 above states that DocMac Mar 2012 #50

Or he took the clip out and cleared it after the shooting. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #51

Yeah, He would have cleared it. DocMac Mar 2012 #56

A lot still needs to come out. I still don't even know what gun he had. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #58

I don't have the link. DocMac Mar 2012 #61

Looks like it was a little double action semi-auto. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #64

Yeah, that makes sense. nt DocMac Mar 2012 #73

KelTec PF9 .. see link X_Digger Mar 2012 #62

Ah, I'm familiar with it. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #63

it would also indicate a wound made at extremely close range. WI_DEM Mar 2012 #10

+1!!!!! I think from CIS episodes they can tell how far away a shot was fired uponit7771 Mar 2012 #65

He would have Mr. Martin's blood on him alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #11

If Trayvon ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #13

What I don't get is how GZ is the innocent party LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #89

This is why police should be required to simply gather evidence properly at a crime scene DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #15

I think that's the key failure of the Sanford PD. GOTV Mar 2012 #17

Do we know that evidence wasn't collected? X_Digger Mar 2012 #46

Personally I don't know what evidence was or wasn't collected ... GOTV Mar 2012 #67

We definitely have an incomplete picture. X_Digger Mar 2012 #72

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2012 #66

It sorta sounds like that is what they did and the SA told them not to arrest Zimmerman ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #101

A very good question atreides1 Mar 2012 #16

If Zimmerman walks, expect riots. nt DocMac Mar 2012 #37

Why was Trayvon's body face down? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2012 #19

I didn't know that we still don't know where the bullet went in. GOTV Mar 2012 #21

Bullets only move bodies on TV kudzu22 Mar 2012 #40

Yes, and in addition there would gunpowder on Trayvons clothes. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #22

Oh Com'on blood spatter from being shot short range? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #25

Actually, yes. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #30

I know nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #33

Blood splatter and powder residue are junk science DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #41

Why in real life we were told to nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #44

The FBI abandoned residue testing in 2006 DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #55

Don't you know that cops can zoom in on a digital picture and.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #48

For real jury instructions locally include forgetting all you saw nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #68

I can imagine that. X_Digger Mar 2012 #74

According to local prosecutor nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #76

Some don't exist at all.. (taking reflections from pictures, blowing them up, getting detail..) X_Digger Mar 2012 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #86

I believe if Zimmerman shot Trayvon up close there should also be gunpowder residue on Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #28

If Zimmerman Was That Beaten Up, Wouldn't The Sanford Police Call An Ambulance Yavin4 Mar 2012 #42

Sanford Fire Rescue checked him out in the back of the cruiser, apparently.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #49

Your Link Does Not Contain A Report from the Paramedics Yavin4 Mar 2012 #53

I didn't say it did.. just that SFRescue apparently checked him out. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #60

That is far from the only report being withheld at this point ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #102

why does that say "unneccessary killing"? onethatcares Mar 2012 #70

Looks like an internal code to me. X_Digger Mar 2012 #71

I want to see an original crime scene photograph onethatcares Mar 2012 #45

I want to see the trajectory report. Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #59

It could be that Sanford PD doesn't have proper protocols. LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #90

You are aware that the police and later EMS tried to resuscitate Martin? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #103

It seems like the point of entry of the bullet and the range etc. K8-EEE Mar 2012 #69

I don't believe Trayvon was beating Zimmerman when he was shot Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #75

You may not like this answer, but no cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #79

Yes and the first thing Johnson20 Mar 2012 #92

Zimmerman's story is a load of bullpucky. ananda Mar 2012 #88

Your proof please! What would you testifiy to in a court of law? n/t Johnson20 Mar 2012 #93

You keep confusing an internet forum with a court of law. Odd uppityperson Mar 2012 #94

No, just pointing out stupid, naive and prejudicial comments, as we all should. Johnson20 Mar 2012 #95

And others are pointing out how odd you think this is a trial Rex Mar 2012 #97

One thing is certain now... Oilwellian Mar 2012 #114