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102. It means that there are a number of people who ridicule and criticize Snowden because Snowden

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:33 AM

Apr 2014

has not taken steps to criticize and out the Russians as he criticized and outed the NSA. Those people suggest that if Snowden were sincere and truly courageous Snowden would go into the Kremlin, grab the Kremlin's "secret" surveillance files and present them to journalists for publication.

Greenwald is pointing out that those who criticize Snowden for failing to "out" the Russian government the way he did the NSA would not have the means or courage to do so if they were in Snowden's shoes, and would be no more likely to out the Kremlin's secrets than Snowden is.

Snowden does not have access to the secrets of the Kremlin. Nor do those who ridicule Snowden for not getting those secrets out to the world.

That is what I understand Greenwald to be saying. Just my interpretation.

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I'd said a long time ago Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #1

That's how I see it, too--Eddie is either a puppet or a prisoner. MADem Apr 2014 #8

Not only that... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #52

Activists masquerading as journalists....it never ends well, does it? MADem Apr 2014 #56

He could always publish a Sarah Palin type book: Whisp Apr 2014 #60

I think this Due Out in March...No...APRIL!!! book is going to be interesting, if he can ever make MADem Apr 2014 #61

+1000 Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #35

Looks like you are a small minority. Greenwald has a Pulitzer Prize for his work. He started out as sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #103

"like the rest of us" arely staircase Apr 2014 #105

Don't know much about him, do you? By 'like the rest of us' I was referring to the fact that he sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #107

Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer, but claims he did on his wiki page. ucrdem Apr 2014 #111

He wrote his own wiki? nt Union Scribe Apr 2014 #114

Who do you think writes it? nt ucrdem Apr 2014 #115

Could you cite something to show Union Scribe Apr 2014 #116

The point is his wiki is dishonest. The info is false. Not true. Whopper royale. ucrdem Apr 2014 #117

Not true? Like the claim you're making Union Scribe Apr 2014 #118

Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer. Pulitzer link here: ucrdem Apr 2014 #120

Perhaps you could just admit you erred Union Scribe Apr 2014 #121

Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer Prize. Sorry. nt ucrdem Apr 2014 #122

Can't even own up to it, can you. Union Scribe Apr 2014 #123

I'm not the one claiming GG won a Pulitzer. nt ucrdem Apr 2014 #124

Neither, apparently, is Greenwald. nt Union Scribe Apr 2014 #125

Great, we've established that Greenwald didn't win a Pulitzer. ucrdem Apr 2014 #126

That wasn't in question. Union Scribe Apr 2014 #127

Glad to hear it. nt ucrdem Apr 2014 #128

Hey -- If you want to excuse Greenwald's shameless spin Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #132

What does that tweet even mean? theboss Apr 2014 #2

He's just babbling incoherently now. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #4

We need to separate Snowden's information from Snowden theboss Apr 2014 #6

snowden is like someone who steals your stereo arely staircase Apr 2014 #17

+1000 VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #53

brilliant! treestar Apr 2014 #54

That's good! I like the analogy. nt brush Apr 2014 #59

now that is just Perfect. Whisp Apr 2014 #62

Great analogy!... SidDithers Apr 2014 #69

I can agree with this. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #18

+ a million Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #24

Might sound like "babbling incoherently" to those that ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #15

Maybe you'll be so kind as to lay out what he means, here, then. MADem Apr 2014 #28

It means that there are a number of people who ridicule and criticize Snowden because Snowden JDPriestly Apr 2014 #102

Naaah. Greenwald is in a bit of a fix. MADem Apr 2014 #104

I didn't think that the question Snowden asked was all that soft. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #119

Do you think Snowden came up with that question on his own? theboss Apr 2014 #131

I think the question put Putin on the spot. I think Putin lied big time, and everyone in the JDPriestly Apr 2014 #135

IF Putin answered falsely? MADem Apr 2014 #133

Absolutely. That is why Snowden asked this question. He put Putin on the spot. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #134

He didn't put Putin on the spot. He played slavish dog to Putin's prancing pony, in a propaganda MADem Apr 2014 #137

Except those who know. And there are those who know. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #138

Edward Snowden, by playing Abbott to Putin's Costello, gives people reason to MADem Apr 2014 #139

Yes. I too have good news sources, read languages and, when i am able, foreign newspapers. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #142

We will have to agree to disagree. MADem Apr 2014 #143

Putin is a conceited jerk. Snowden is no fool. He knows that. But Snowden is clever. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #144

Putin is dictator for life. He counts the votes, he controls the media. MADem Apr 2014 #146

Here is where I disagee. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #147

Thing is, most people don't "sit in their home and call their best friend." MADem Apr 2014 #148

Privacy is utterly essential to the human condition. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #149

Privacy is essential in the home, sure--but don't expect it outside your door. MADem Apr 2014 #150

LOL, good stuff. tritsofme Apr 2014 #38

Can you 'splain then? Whisp Apr 2014 #63

If you don't get it... 99Forever Apr 2014 #64

LOL. Your answer was better than I expected! Whisp Apr 2014 #65

And you are a mindreader too! 99Forever Apr 2014 #66

so what did GG mean? Whisp Apr 2014 #67

Good grief. 99Forever Apr 2014 #68

No... Whisp Apr 2014 #70

You claimed you "don't get it,"... 99Forever Apr 2014 #72

not even with your 'splaination (of sorts), I still don't understand what the hell GG means. Whisp Apr 2014 #82

You called me, Mr. Forever. 99Forever Apr 2014 #83

I take no offense at being called Mr., I don't understand why you would Whisp Apr 2014 #87

Off topic, I wonder which one of these clowns is Frum and which one is Yoo? Dragonfli Apr 2014 #94

Critics have harped on Snowden (and Greenwald) for not criticizing Russian surveillance Maedhros Apr 2014 #5

Should he be defending Russian surveillance though? theboss Apr 2014 #7

He asked a question; Putin responded with typical security-state boilerplate. Maedhros Apr 2014 #34

it is a PR stunt that Snowden agreed to participate in arely staircase Apr 2014 #41

It's not ridiculous at all. MADem Apr 2014 #9

Wikileaks is sitting on the oligarch files. joshcryer Apr 2014 #43

Pootie's probably paying Julian's "rent" since the donations to Wikileaks dried up. MADem Apr 2014 #98

It sounds like it means "Shit, shit....he's doing stuff that is outside my control, he lied to me, MADem Apr 2014 #14

Propaganda pays. joshcryer Apr 2014 #45

VF has a new article out that we have to buy to read. MADem Apr 2014 #95

I like that theory. joshcryer Apr 2014 #96

I don't know what the "real hoo hah" is with that guy, but I don't believe his cover story. MADem Apr 2014 #97

I think he did manage privilege escalation. joshcryer Apr 2014 #99

Many years ago, before the internet.... MADem Apr 2014 #100

Whadda ya mean?! Snowden threw the softball and Putin hit Cha Apr 2014 #76

I LOVE that picture!!! MADem Apr 2014 #81

Bet Chris Christy is jealous of the smoothness in that little setup! Cha Apr 2014 #88

MADem, did you actually READ the TPM article on Putin/Snowden's tv appearances? Number23 Apr 2014 #108

I guess the "I'm just a sysadmin who saw stuff I didn't like" schtick won't play anymore. MADem Apr 2014 #110

His head is exploding from being wrong. chrisa Apr 2014 #22

It's greenwald doing his usual deflecting schtick.. hoping no one will notice what a tool Cha Apr 2014 #75

Snowden just fucked Greenwald Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #3

Could this be because Greenwald is working for that guy who supported the Ukranians? MADem Apr 2014 #11

Best angle in this thread. joshcryer Apr 2014 #47

yep arely staircase Apr 2014 #12

I think Putin is pretty smart though and will use Snowden sparingly theboss Apr 2014 #19

Supposedly, though, Snowden doesn't HAVE that info anymore. MADem Apr 2014 #23

I think maybe he doesn't have a bunch of stuff and the Russians are trying to get something useful arely staircase Apr 2014 #29

I suppose he does have to earn his room and board...! MADem Apr 2014 #31

mr. pulitzer prize sounds like a teenager arely staircase Apr 2014 #10

at first I thought it was Snowden being taken for a ride by Greenwald and Co... Whisp Apr 2014 #13

Greenwald didn't know jack about computers and security, either. MADem Apr 2014 #26

Yeah, and Snowden, with this latest stunt, put that prize where the sun don't shine, as well. MADem Apr 2014 #30

I wonder what the prize givers are feeling about now? Whisp Apr 2014 #55

Not the first time they've fucked up...probably won't be the last, either! MADem Apr 2014 #84

And Greenwald is his PR guy Renew Deal Apr 2014 #16

I'm laying odds on that wasn't even Snowden in the first place.. 2banon Apr 2014 #20

Its on video. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #27

That would have been helpful, the video or link wasn't included in the op. 2banon Apr 2014 #44

His mockery of Snowden's critics was well deserved. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #21

Maybe Snowden is going to reveal Russia's JaneyVee Apr 2014 #25

We all know Russia is a Police State. The Point is... 2banon Apr 2014 #48

I don't ignore it, I'm just not JaneyVee Apr 2014 #50

Are you saying that the USA is a police state? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #73

That's exactly what I'm saying.. it's nothing new 2banon Apr 2014 #74

Glenn's got half a loaf of credibility and it's starting to get to him BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #32

Oh my, here we go again Aerows Apr 2014 #33

No one has to do a darned thing to tarnish the images of these two. Skidmore Apr 2014 #36

lol, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...Should we just avert our eyes? tritsofme Apr 2014 #39

No one said a thing about Obama until post #33. randome Apr 2014 #40

Nobody had to. Aerows Apr 2014 #42

LOL. You didn't join DU until Feb 2011 Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #49

+100000 Egnever Apr 2014 #58

Oops... SidDithers Apr 2014 #71

Still the poster's statement is correct. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #101

Snowden and Greenwald make it about them.. nobody does that for them. And, your attempt to Cha Apr 2014 #78

How typical of Greenwald. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #37

Oh Good Grief. 2banon Apr 2014 #46

It's greenwald's MO.. attack with some jibberish and his fans eat it up. Cha Apr 2014 #80

Making an idiot of yourself is "lashing back"? gcomeau Apr 2014 #51

a few twists of fate and they'd be saying he was a Hong Konger agent from the get-go MisterP Apr 2014 #57

this thread sounds like Saturday morning at the beauty parlor in Mayberry. grasswire Apr 2014 #77

It might just be about time to wonder how Snowden is coming along Wash. state Desk Jet Apr 2014 #79

I see snowden/greenwald fans are trying to persuade one and all to move along.. nothing to Cha Apr 2014 #85

"newly minted Pulitzer Prize winner," that's rich. Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer. ucrdem Apr 2014 #86

Check out this comment under the article at TPM.. Cha Apr 2014 #90

LOL, could be. ucrdem Apr 2014 #91

Hoping the best for Iran.. and grateful we have President Obama working it out.. Cha Apr 2014 #92

That was after his Hong Kong honeymoon with XI ucrdem Apr 2014 #113

Oh, yeah.. that, too.. ratfuckers from the get-go. Cha Apr 2014 #129

I need better glasses flamingdem Apr 2014 #141

According to some on DU, SNOWDEN won the Pulitzer or was at least vindicated by the award Number23 Apr 2014 #109

Good luck trying to disabuse any of them of their fantasies. ucrdem Apr 2014 #112

No; Greenwald is the author or co-author of most of the pieces cited muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #145

Most Pulitzer prizes are awarded to individuals, and neither Greenwald or Snowden ucrdem Apr 2014 #151

Does anyone truthfully think GG wants Snowden to return to the US? Doubt it, if he is back in Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #89

I think he wishes Snowden would stop pitching softballs to Pootie. MADem Apr 2014 #106

Maybe you have tagged the scene. Don't think GG, Putin or Snowden will get an Oscar for their Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #130

I think Frum posts here Dragonfli Apr 2014 #93

Greenwald to fans: "Are you going to believe me and Snowden or your lying eyes and ears?" stevenleser Apr 2014 #136

Excuses, excuses flamingdem Apr 2014 #140