Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Putin Tells NSA Leaker Snowden There’s No Mass Surveillance In Russia (updated) [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)158. Doesn't have to be everyone. Take what NSA did to Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho)
Sen. Frank Church (D-ID) warned us what would happen if NSA turned its technology on the American people, so NSA spied on him. Sen. Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American. The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committees responsibility for Welchs death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
SNIP...
Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
166 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Putin Tells NSA Leaker Snowden There’s No Mass Surveillance In Russia (updated) [View all]
ProSense
Apr 2014
OP
That is too hilarious! Like Bill Maher said, everytime Snowden opens his damn mouth, he says.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#28
BTW, phone call conversations was passed to the US on the Boston Bombers and
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#13
What the poster refuses to acknowledge is the prevailing opinion of the American people is expressed
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#112
"Pumping up Russia over his own country". Snowden may turn out to be the best...
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#136
Well, I think everyone's waiting for the launch of GG's new media venture.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#139
Doesn't have to be everyone. Take what NSA did to Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho)
Octafish
Apr 2014
#158
True about the assholes. Wrong about spying: They are the People's representatives.
Octafish
Apr 2014
#159
I don't really care about international spying. Couldn't care less about the metadata stuff.
randome
Apr 2014
#68
Yea, right, Russia has never spied on anyone. So, Putin was answering a question
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#12
I guess wikipedia is blocked over there. Maybe they think it will give you the Eurogay or something
arely staircase
Apr 2014
#15
We know Putin's lying his ass off but here it is in Black and White. The Putin and Snowden show..
Cha
Apr 2014
#132
Did you see the other thread that says that Snowden is NOT a Russian spy despite the fact that Putin
Number23
Apr 2014
#141
R#6&K he should have asked if there is Ruskie Selective Service drafting forhis age group forUkraine
UTUSN
Apr 2014
#20
You believe Snowden called out Putin today, perhaps it is you that does recognize what is going on?
Ohio4theWin
Apr 2014
#61
I assume this is why Edward Snowden's favorability continues to erode in this country. He's about..
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#30
They'll only come around when some crack reporter uncovers the truth about Comrade's covert....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#160
Snowden is doing all that himself...whose bright idea was for him to show up at this circus??? nt
msanthrope
Apr 2014
#48
Maybe instead of attacking an irrelevant person every chance you can get...
Vashta Nerada
Apr 2014
#107
you are the person in this thread trying to change the subject of the op
arely staircase
Apr 2014
#108
They sure can, and your statement is borne out in American public opinion. They don't like secret..
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#113
I can't wait til it comes to light that Snowden didn't wind up in Russia by accident.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#54
I was referring to the the denial that Russia performed Mass Intelligence gatherering.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#83
And, the difference between Snowden and reporters who ask the same questions
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#84
No, I don't. No more than I know that Jim Acosta or Major Garrett are Obama's "tools".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#90
Obama denied (or, if you prefer rationalized) the mass surveillance carried out by the NSA.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#96
Wonder who among the President's detractors will applaud the "thruthiness" of Putin? nt
kelliekat44
Apr 2014
#116