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168. Now don't spoil the fun with facts and logic. n/t

Reply to Egnever (Reply #103)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:48 PM

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A Tale of Two Mothers in America in a Post Racial Society [View all] sheshe2 Apr 2014 OP

Butbutbut... talking about "privilege" isn't helpful because it makes white people uncomfortable! nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #1

It's not helpful because it has FAILED to educate the public. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #12

So how the hell else are we supposed to frame the issue in a simple, understandable way? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #43

"And simply ignoring racial inequalities is not an option." That is true, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #46

Okay, fair enough. But I see no reason to abandon a perfectly valid concept just because nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #53

I don't think this supports the position you have been arguing here. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #137

Democrats might lose elections if we discuss this! boston bean Apr 2014 #95

Never knew we on DU had so much power over national politics. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #99

I will be more than happy to have a discussion on race AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #114

Much as calling racism useful for certain people is also quite useful for certain people... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #161

True. And, by the way..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #174

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #2

so wrong BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #3

Where was Leonard Smalls when you really needed him? VScott Apr 2014 #4

Not a highway. Igel Apr 2014 #5

What does this post mean? brush Apr 2014 #6

First sheshe2 Apr 2014 #7

Wow!!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2014 #9

What neighborhood was it ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #10

Says 45th Ave and Cholla in the linked local story. sweetloukillbot Apr 2014 #147

Yeah, pretty much, sadly.(I disagree re: the marijuana thing, though) AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #15

Yes Ma'lik Richmond was convicted ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #126

My mistake. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #129

It's understandable. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #132

Fail. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #21

Normally I'd agree with you, but.....I'm afraid it's not about "white privilege".... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #8

B.S., Your denying that white privilege exists ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #13

Your belief in literal "white privilege" doesn't make it factual, amigo. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #16

Not MY belief ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #18

..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #20

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #34

"Keyword is OPINION." sheshe2 Apr 2014 #35

"Yet your 'OPINION" stands!" Clarify, please? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #39

Clarification sheshe2 Apr 2014 #55

Okay, never mind. That's what I meant. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #59

Kind of like the Climate change "change "Debate", huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #94

White privilege exists. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #28

Hola Amigo! Raine1967 Apr 2014 #30

There's nothing TO deny. That's the problem, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #42

What's "weird" about it? And it's not so much about tangible benefits, as all the bad things nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #44

See my other response. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #47

Privilege, in this context, is used to describe a social inequality. herding cats Apr 2014 #74

your argument makes no sense RainDog Apr 2014 #105

.... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #106

Norm RainDog Apr 2014 #107

You misread me again. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #108

American society is racist RainDog Apr 2014 #116

I have plenty of understanding, thank you. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #118

where are your studies that indicate RainDog Apr 2014 #119

I don't need any studies, btw. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #120

here ya go RainDog Apr 2014 #122

"that's just a quick look to demonstrate that racism is currently an issue in American society"..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #125

I am going to assume RainDog Apr 2014 #130

"Trolling"? Not really, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #134

LOL RainDog Apr 2014 #135

Your choice, I suppose. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #144

for old time's sake, Joe RainDog Apr 2014 #146

And Dr. Avakian has every right to her viewpoint, as you and I do. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #150

It's a term that derives from academia RainDog Apr 2014 #155

How old are you? U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #148

23. But I'm kinda smart beyond my years..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #151

With all those ears of experience, how could anyone question your wisdom? U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #153

Did you read the rest of my reply? nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #154

... RainDog Apr 2014 #160

And more objective, and have more knowledge of this than the academics... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #162

Woman on the right didn't get any sentence yet. None whatsoever. LisaL Apr 2014 #24

One was arrested and lost custody of her children for GOING TO A JOB INTERVIEW Raine1967 Apr 2014 #32

It doesn't matter where she went. Her children were left in the car unattended. LisaL Apr 2014 #33

I do. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #40

What if the one who left the child on top of the car was driving to the job interview? LisaL Apr 2014 #45

You do realize that this is deadly Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #41

Still not as dangerous as what the other woman did. Or as stupid. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #49

How is it not as dangerous when children can die if left in a hot car? LisaL Apr 2014 #52

Sure it's a pretty bad idea. But compared to leaving a baby seat on the *roof of your car* while nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #58

If she had left the infant on the roof of the car on purpose you might have had a good LisaL Apr 2014 #60

Do you really think she would've done that if she hadn't been out of her mind on God knows nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #62

Do you know that there was already CPS involvement with Shanesha Taylor prior to her leaving the LisaL Apr 2014 #64

I'm not saying she's a great mother. I honestly have no idea. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #66

Did you read why CPS was involved? LisaL Apr 2014 #71

So that makes it alrighty then! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #81

What makes it alrighty? LisaL Apr 2014 #82

It begs the question then, what were the local temperature conditions on that day LanternWaste Apr 2014 #163

I don't think anyone's arguing that leaving the kids in the car was fine and dandy LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #67

I am with you on universal child care. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #73

Shhhhhh! Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #72

your right Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #75

I see 2 cases of child endangerment Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #56

But. but .but AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #109

Well, something did happen before these women were charged ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #117

Hahahahahahahaha AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #121

And the defensive and insincere will use profanity ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #123

I am sorry AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #127

Yes, you are ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #131

Hahaahahahahahahaha AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #133

That's not what I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #136

I have no reason to believe you AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #141

Might be an easy mistake. I mistook you for sincere last week... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #165

In what way? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #172

Is my consistency AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #173

"Normally you would agree?" sheshe2 Apr 2014 #17

Normally I agree with you, is what I meant. But for reasons I've outlined, this is an exception. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #19

Was it the same judge Armadotrasgo Apr 2014 #11

Not same Judge; but same county and same court. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #14

This answer should be the end all to every response in this thread. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #23

And it would be if... Egnever Apr 2014 #104

Hmmmm AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #110

Almost as weird as the atypical racial disparity in the prison population. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #166

Did somebody collected over 100 K for Catalina? LisaL Apr 2014 #22

this response makes little sense wrt to the OP. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #25

OP makes claim one woman is treated harsher than the other. LisaL Apr 2014 #26

Actually, there is a LOT to support the claim. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #29

Name one. LisaL Apr 2014 #31

I'm not here to try the case. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #36

Oh I understand what she is saying. LisaL Apr 2014 #38

Make that what she is saying. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #85

So sheshe2 Apr 2014 #79

Why don't you take a look at your own logic first? LisaL Apr 2014 #80

No! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #83

Excuse me? LisaL Apr 2014 #84

Well, rationalizing a thing to force a false equivalence, but certainly not defending it. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #167

That's true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #51

Not the same. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #27

So they were both arrested and charged with felonies. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #37

But what the woman on the left did was far worse. So similar treatment *isn't* fair treatment nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #50

What makes it "far worse?" LisaL Apr 2014 #54

One woman was on drugs and utterly careless, and very nearly got her child killed. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #61

Leaving the children in a car unattended in AZ could lead to them ending up dead. LisaL Apr 2014 #63

I don't dispute that. But even so, I doubt the risk of death is comparable to the other situation. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #65

so if she left them in an oven, you would be good with that then ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #68

Of course leaving them in the car is a bad idea - in the middle of summer it could easily have been nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #87

It can get very hot inside the car even if it's not very hot outside. LisaL Apr 2014 #88

Look, she made a big mistake and she's paid for it with an arrest and public humiliation. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #89

She also got 100 k in donations. LisaL Apr 2014 #90

Wait what? Egnever Apr 2014 #124

She's not evil incarnate. But what she did was still worse in my book, in part because it wasn't nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #128

March in the desert Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #98

Well.... one woman made a deliberate, conscious decision to leave her kids in a hot car. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #57

That does kinda make a difference, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #171

Racism and White Privilege are factors in today's society...unjust treatement HipChick Apr 2014 #48

It's sickening the disparity in sentencing if you're are White and then Cha Apr 2014 #69

What disparity in sentencing? LisaL Apr 2014 #70

I do not believe some of our DU friends posting here, realize how deadly this is. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #76

Agreed Egnever Apr 2014 #101

Thank you Cha. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #86

There hasn't been a sentence yet Egnever Apr 2014 #102

They both messed up pretty bad , I don't think race has anything to do with this case oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #77

Shanesha Taylor's case wasn't yet picked by any judge. LisaL Apr 2014 #78

I'm sorry I misunderstood , so the first one do you know if oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #91

did you notice the length of the probation ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #111

Put me on the jury ..if see doesn't take a plea oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #112

this child was not so lucky TODAY ! Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #113

I wish I did because she would have her children back oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #115

Her children are with family members. LisaL Apr 2014 #143

I don't know but I'm trying not to judge this woman oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #145

Is she actually homeless and unemployed? LisaL Apr 2014 #152

The residence could have been her families or an ex , it doesn't mean she was living there. oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #156

I have no clue how many hours per week her part time job is. LisaL Apr 2014 #157

You would have to know what type of job oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #158

If this isn't damning evidence CFLDem Apr 2014 #92

Apparently, it's not damning enough ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #96

There hasnt been any sentence imposed. Nor has the black woman been found guilty of anything yet. Egnever Apr 2014 #103

Now don't spoil the fun with facts and logic. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #168

K&R n/t Feral Child Apr 2014 #93

I don't see how any conclusion about white privilege can be reached here... Captain Stern Apr 2014 #97

Exactly! AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #169

Wait till the sentencing then you can compare. dilby Apr 2014 #100

But aren't the black children here receiving better protection than the white child? maced666 Apr 2014 #138

How do you know that Shanesha Taylor wouldn't make more "mistakes?" LisaL Apr 2014 #142

"I swear you need a white-privilege-correct manual just to keep up with all this!" AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #170

Obviously you are more popular than I, however, this was the similarity I drew Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #139

I just KnR'ed your thread too Horse with no Name. nt sheshe2 Apr 2014 #140

This is really starting to piss me off oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #149

They both were arrested. dilby Apr 2014 #164

Catalina JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #159