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In reply to the discussion: Edward Snowden’s Cowardice on Russian TV [View all]UPDATE, April 18, 11:00 a.m.: Snowden unrepentantly defended himself in a commentary the Guardian published on Friday. He claims he was trying to force Putin on the record about Russian state surveillance, and that journalists can now follow-up on his answer. This reasoning demonstrates that Snowden is either tragically, improbably naive about the role he played on Russian state television, or that he is extremely disingenuous. The bottom line is that Snowden helped Putin manipulate his Russian audience, most of whom will never see the sort of follow-up accountability journalism on Putins answer that one would expect in a liberal democracy...
...and I go with "extremely disingenuous."
In his op-ed, Snowden tries to hype the importance of his question by linking to a Daily Beast piece that calls him out for being a tool. From his op-ed:
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The investigative journalist Andrei Soldatov, perhaps the single most prominent critic of Russia's surveillance apparatus (and someone who has repeatedly criticised me in the past year), described my question as "extremely important for Russia". It could, he said, "lift a de facto ban on public conversations about state eavesdropping."
The investigative journalist Andrei Soldatov, perhaps the single most prominent critic of Russia's surveillance apparatus (and someone who has repeatedly criticised me in the past year), described my question as "extremely important for Russia". It could, he said, "lift a de facto ban on public conversations about state eavesdropping."
From the piece linked to in that paragaph:
I think it was ridiculous, says Mark Galeotti, an expert on Russias security services who is also a professor at New York University. Andrei Soldatov, a Russian journalist who has broken major stories on the Russian intelligence service, the FSB, and is a Daily Beast contributor, was only slightly more charitable. Putin never directly lies, he just tells half truths and his answer was a half truth, he said. In terms of what is going on inside the country, he was not correct. We have all signs of mass surveillance. My view is Russian surveillance is much more intrusive than what you have in the United States.
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Galeotti says he found the display of Snowdens question for Putin on eavesdropping to be depressing. I believed he was an honest man who made some stupid choices, says Galeotti. But in this case he was doing what was in his handlers interests.
We have to think of two Snowdens, Galeotti tells The Daily Beast. There was the original whistleblower who thought he was doing something good for the world. Now there is the Snowdento put it crasslywho is bought and paid for entirely by the Russians. The Russians are not altruistic, if they are protecting him they are doing so because there are things he can do to repay them.
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Soldatov said Snowdens question could lift a de facto ban in Russia on public conversations about the states eavesdropping. Before this question both Snowden and Greenwald refused to talk about surveillance in Russia, he said. Now we can ask Greenwald about this. Now we can start the debate. This is extremely important for Russia. I suspect Kremlin propaganda wanted to play Snowden, nevertheless this was a positive thing because it helps us to start the debate about the mass surveillance in Russia.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/17/sorry-snowden-putin-lied-to-you-about-his-surveillance-state-and-made-you-a-pawn-of-it.htm
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Galeotti says he found the display of Snowdens question for Putin on eavesdropping to be depressing. I believed he was an honest man who made some stupid choices, says Galeotti. But in this case he was doing what was in his handlers interests.
We have to think of two Snowdens, Galeotti tells The Daily Beast. There was the original whistleblower who thought he was doing something good for the world. Now there is the Snowdento put it crasslywho is bought and paid for entirely by the Russians. The Russians are not altruistic, if they are protecting him they are doing so because there are things he can do to repay them.
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Soldatov said Snowdens question could lift a de facto ban in Russia on public conversations about the states eavesdropping. Before this question both Snowden and Greenwald refused to talk about surveillance in Russia, he said. Now we can ask Greenwald about this. Now we can start the debate. This is extremely important for Russia. I suspect Kremlin propaganda wanted to play Snowden, nevertheless this was a positive thing because it helps us to start the debate about the mass surveillance in Russia.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/17/sorry-snowden-putin-lied-to-you-about-his-surveillance-state-and-made-you-a-pawn-of-it.htm
Soldatov was being generous. He basically said, yeah, Snowden was used, but people are talking about what happened.
The fact is that nothing came out of this charade except a debate about Putin's and Snowden's character.
A more direct question (which likely couldn't happen) mentioning a specific program or incident would have sparked a debate inside Russia. As it stands, even Soldatov admits there is no debate in Russian. I could understand why, as a journalist, he would want to use this as an opportunity to spark a debate. A staged event and a lame-ass question isn't going to do it, and neither is Snowden's op-ed, which is just another lame attempt to cover his ass after a humiliating event.
In summary: Putin's show promoted his propaganda to its intended audience, Russians. Snowden's op-ed attempts to spin it to the rest of the world.
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Awww, Eddie's hanging curve ball to Vlad has given all the Snowboys and girls a sadz
BeyondGeography
Apr 2014
#93
"All the Snowboys and girls a sadz". Can you believe all the hissyfits and covering of ears?
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#131
Outstanding.. snowden was play acting.. setting it up for Pooter. Sucking Russia and of course
Cha
Apr 2014
#79
He knew greenwald would get on twitter to defend.. Yeah, he did but I'm hearing "he got
Cha
Apr 2014
#81
#1 Eddie's OP is bullshit and #2 Who cares if it were before.. Glenn is always full of shit..
Cha
Apr 2014
#110
You're "getting desperate". You're a "Snowden basher". "Putin = Obama"! "Revolution"!!!!!
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#6
You got the hang of it, my dear Cha. If you ain't kissin' GG, Snowie & Putin's asses...
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#115
LOL, coming from the person who has posted 10,000 Snowden posts. Who is Obsessed?? nt
Logical
Apr 2014
#57
Only if you already agree with "The Guardian". What other result were you expecting?
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#17
I'm "discrediting the Guardian and its readers"? Far from it. I'm merely pointing out...
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#114
What is with the running around DU telling everyone to read the Guardian comments section?
Number23
Apr 2014
#29
So the fans in the Guardian comments section are more important than the "haters" at the NY Times
Number23
Apr 2014
#73
That was tired and absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe the crap Snowden's fans are having to sink
Number23
Apr 2014
#111
I know, right? They want us to read a foreign newspaper's "comment section" to...
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#113
Absolutely right. More than one person has said over the last few days that they are ASTOUNDED
Number23
Apr 2014
#120
It's an EPIC FAIL of a PR campaign. Snowie's support is pretty much confined to...
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#122
Looks like the "govt paid trolls" had the right measure of this bit of fuckwittery
Number23
Apr 2014
#125
I just went over there and your comment is not borne out by an examination of the remarks.
MADem
Apr 2014
#127
hey, if I went and made propaganda for the Russians I would expect some criticism nt
arely staircase
Apr 2014
#16
Yes, but the talking point before was that Putin had Snowden hidden somewhere.
former9thward
Apr 2014
#20
I have always found that people who use lol and rofl in responses have lost the argument.
former9thward
Apr 2014
#22
Some of them seem like they get paid for all the anti-Snowden stuff they post.
Vashta Nerada
Apr 2014
#67
Of course some are. The web is perfect to spread authoritarian propaganda. And cheap too.
GoneFishin
Apr 2014
#97
you going to comment on Simon from VICE being taken by Russian supporting assholes?
snooper2
Apr 2014
#132
YAwn ..yea that's right ...what he revealed means nothing because he is a (take your choice).
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#32
And the Cliven Bundy lovin' Oathkeepers, but they're probably the same people.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#116
You haven't been here long enough to be namecalling, or have you been here before?
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#117
What's even more hilarious is watching people spin Putin using Snowden as a tool as
ProSense
Apr 2014
#42
Ironic... 'Profiles In Courage' Was A Book Written By A War Hero, Who Saved The Men Of His PT-Boat
WillyT
Apr 2014
#46
They all get major points for spinning as fast as they can to rationalize eddie pimping for
Cha
Apr 2014
#85
Snowden's question and op-ed were attempts to whitewash Russian spying by equating it to the NSA.
ProSense
Apr 2014
#106
Seems to be more column inches devoted to gossip columns about him than the policies he illuminated
LanternWaste
Apr 2014
#130