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In reply to the discussion: By Ditching the Public Option, Obama Gave His Enemies a Path to the Supreme Court [View all]zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)1. Mandate and PO should have been hand in hand
When the agreement was made to dump the PO, he should have dumped the mandate as well. Institute some sort of market mechanism to "penalize" people who wait until they are sick to buy insurance. But no mandate without a PO.
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Better Believe It
Mar 2012
OP
President Obama opposed a public option so how could he pass something he was against?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#13
Explain how you get Lieberman to vote yes ... I'll spot you all the other blue dogs ... Go!!
JoePhilly
Mar 2012
#34
Who knows what his reason would be, maybe we needed to first build support or until ...
slipslidingaway
Mar 2012
#71
Do you read any links or just say Joe is all powerful and the president is powerless. n/t
slipslidingaway
Mar 2012
#135
The "study" that found 2/3rds of the country for single payer is not all that impressive
karynnj
Mar 2012
#98
No, not really, the Dec. 2007 AP-Yahoo Poll had 65/54% depending on how ...
slipslidingaway
Mar 2012
#133
Threaten his seniority and committee-chairs he was gifted despite not being an elected Democrat.
Chan790
Mar 2012
#79
I love your idea! The disgust I feel for this man is so great that I get sick just thinking about
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#125
Please list all Republican Senators that would have voted for the plan you suggest
karynnj
Mar 2012
#94
The Bully Pulpit is the Tee Vee, and it Only Works for the Repigs Because They Own All the Networks
AndyTiedye
Mar 2012
#85
Obama wasn't on board with Single Payer or Public Option when he was a candidate.
LiberalFighter
Mar 2012
#42
and how were you going to get LIEberman, nelson, lincoln, byah, and others to go for it? /nt
still_one
Mar 2012
#4
Twist their arms: Tell them that if they want any DNC money, they'd better toe the line
Lydia Leftcoast
Mar 2012
#107
+1. Sadly, so many blind supporters are okay with his lack of fight on the public option.
SmellyFeet
Mar 2012
#114
The only thing they should have done is say it was a tax, which probably would have prevented the
still_one
Mar 2012
#7
Agree. And the Congressional compromise enabled the expansion of Medicaid as well
pinto
Mar 2012
#10
Do you believe that President Obama wanted Medicare for All or a strong public option?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#20
Easier to win any Senator's vote than it is to get a SCOTUS decison reversed.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2012
#82
Tell him that you'll have the DNC flood his media market (Connecticut)
Lydia Leftcoast
Mar 2012
#109
This is the truth. The mandate probably is unconstitutional without a public option.
Maven
Mar 2012
#23
Yep Snowe, and all of the other 59 Senators needed to pass it all wanted it but Obama said
grantcart
Mar 2012
#40
News flash! It only takes 51 votes to pass legislation in the Senate, not 60.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#46
A simple majority of Senate votes have always been required to pass legislation, 51 today, not 60.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#64
Invoking cloture to end debate requires 60 votes. Passing legislation requires 51 votes.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#97
Obama did NOT ditch the public option. He would have been happy to sign any public option
pnwmom
Mar 2012
#48
We DID NOT Have the Votes, We DO NOT Have the Votes, We WILL NOT Have the Votes Any Time Soon
AndyTiedye
Mar 2012
#57
Obama did not have 51 votes to pass legislation he opposed, a health care public option.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#69
As I recall, it was Loser Lieberman who wouldn't agree to let a Medicare buy-in
NC_Nurse
Mar 2012
#74
that's your own hypothetical... why two million? Why not use a trillion as an example
fascisthunter
Mar 2012
#106
i chose 2 mill since that was a good equalent value in my mind when it comes to the likelyhood of
Bodhi BloodWave
Mar 2012
#121
The difference would have been that public option would have been more popular than mandate.
HiPointDem
Mar 2012
#88
50 Senate votes with the President of the Senate, Joe Biden, casting the tie breaker can pass it.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#95
It is true that at before the 110th Congress started, the rules could have been changed - but they
karynnj
Mar 2012
#101
Actually fake Republican procedural "filibusters" can be ended at anytime as can Senate rules.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#120
I agree that single payer is a far better alternative, but it is NOT the for profit motive that led
karynnj
Mar 2012
#119
The people who can get "health care" could care less about others in society
just1voice
Mar 2012
#117