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95. it isn't a semantics game

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:38 AM

Apr 2014

You said he called Putin a liar and he did not. Which is what I think you realized when you went back and reread the article. I have read his entire Guardian piece and if I had known that was what you were talking about I would have saved you the trouble and not asked what you were talking about. It is not even mildly critical of Russian survelance. Fact is Snowden does know t hat Putin was lying because you know he was and I know he was and I am guessing that having worked in US inteligence Snowden knows a lot more about the extent to which he was lying than you or I. The day that Snowden calls Putin a liar he will be lucky if he is only put on a plane to face charges in the United States. More likely something much worse will happen to him.

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Thank you, Edward Snowden, for so clearly allowing.. [View all] grasswire Apr 2014 OP

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it is actualy getting kind of sad arely staircase Apr 2014 #4

+1... SidDithers Apr 2014 #11

If only this were only about Snowden the NSA apoligists would have won the day! Scuba Apr 2014 #21

if you are calling me an nsa apologist then you are either ignorant arely staircase Apr 2014 #23

It was never about Snowden. And sorry, but I don't recall any of your posts. Scuba Apr 2014 #26

no it would just make you ignorant of what I have written which is better than being disingenuous arely staircase Apr 2014 #31

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Nailed It, raindaddy. bvar22 Apr 2014 #161

Plus one an entire shit load! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #170

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #181

Maybe your constant obsession with Snowden with little to say about the Bush appointed crooks sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #115

FOCUS, please. Kindly confine your comments to how bad Snowden, merrily Apr 2014 #155

I know, I keep forgetting, we have politicians to protect! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #172

Let's start one! Really needed right here. merrily Apr 2014 #192

Britney Spears is possessing my body......aaaaaargh! Android3.14 Apr 2014 #160

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Your hatred is what is sad. You are directing it at the wrong people. But it's easier for you rhett o rick Apr 2014 #41

binary worldviews are boring and lazy nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #43

"There really only two sides to this class war" George II Apr 2014 #44

So is there more than two sided in a war? Do you choose the side of the 1%? I guess some might rhett o rick Apr 2014 #47

I always find it sadly hilarious that those who represent about 11% of the population... ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #62

As I would expect from a conservative, jibberish. You cant tell us what your principles are rhett o rick Apr 2014 #71

+1 Marr Apr 2014 #93

I've repeated my principals many times on this site; you can look them up ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #96

I agree with that. But I would say your side is even less than 11% when it comes to people's sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #116

"Anyone with a hint of a clue would understand that when 99% merrily Apr 2014 #138

So you tell me, how many sides are there in class war, George II? Scootaloo Apr 2014 #49

I don't live in a world of black and white. George II Apr 2014 #61

So what you are saying is that sometimes you side with the Koch Bros? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #73

"sometimes you side with the Koch Bros?" George II Apr 2014 #78

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In my years on this site, that is probably the most ridiculous claim and request I've ever seen..... George II Apr 2014 #81

+1 nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #83

are you now or have you ever been on the side of the Koch brothers? arely staircase Apr 2014 #101

Something very Nietzschesque about that. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #183

Apparently you don't live in a worldthat can answer an easy question, either Scootaloo Apr 2014 #91

You can answer that question for yourself, but only if you are willing to engage struggle4progress Apr 2014 #98

There is one opinion expressed, the other opinion expressed, and lots of "sides" in between. George II Apr 2014 #136

Potentially, 7.157 billion... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #144

Emotionally invested is a good way to describe this. BenzoDia Apr 2014 #55

You are correct, some are so obsessed with Snowden they even worry about his personal relationships sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #56

show me one DUr obsessed with Snowdens garage arely staircase Apr 2014 #59

Lol, I could show you more than one Snowden obsessed person here. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #68

as I thought nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #69

I think their main problem showing you somebody Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #97

I am not going to do it but arely staircase Apr 2014 #99

you are correct on the boxes i believe Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #103

yep. it isn't about snowden arely staircase Apr 2014 #105

there is one thing that has always amused me about DU Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #110

An END to the data collection? Or... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #149

weasel words, then grasswire Apr 2014 #185

I believe you nailed it! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #60

Yes. LWolf Apr 2014 #140

What is sad LiberalLovinLug Apr 2014 #154

well said nt grasswire Apr 2014 #189

Remember when "ITS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN!" JaneyVee Apr 2014 #182

I know. This is cringe inducing. Number23 Apr 2014 #18

Yup, sure is...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #58

I physically did that when I read post #63. joshcryer Apr 2014 #109

Prosense's response was perfectly brilliant and summed up the most glaring differences between the Number23 Apr 2014 #111

No kidding. Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #175

The Disaffected White Hero falls hard..and we've seen it before....a particular msanthrope Apr 2014 #124

So is Putin the Goat and Snowden the Sheep? Oh yeah.. "it's not about him".. except Eddie made Cha Apr 2014 #90

LMFAO itsrobert Apr 2014 #2

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Better, direct link for that (again) Electric Monk Apr 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author BenzoDia Apr 2014 #57

Nope, he's just a Putin lackey a2liberal Apr 2014 #66

if by calling out you mean pitching him predetermined softball question, sure nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #72

I'm referring to his later statement about the question a2liberal Apr 2014 #82

show me where he called putin a liar nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #84

ok I'll assume good faith a2liberal Apr 2014 #92

it isn't a semantics game arely staircase Apr 2014 #95

"Snowden ought to be embarrassed for helping to catapult it into the dialogue." ProSense Apr 2014 #3

+1 ucrdem Apr 2014 #10

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2014 #94

First of all.. glad greenwald rightfully got his a$$ handed to him.. Cha Apr 2014 #100

History has never looked kindly on turncoats, whatever their motives. ucrdem Apr 2014 #5

And isn't it great that... 99Forever Apr 2014 #9

He showed us a legally issued FISA warrant. ucrdem Apr 2014 #12

When scumbags write the "laws"... 99Forever Apr 2014 #14

+1 christx30 Apr 2014 #19

Something about the people of Germany doing what was legal back when,,, L0oniX Apr 2014 #20

Yep, and the slave owners here. 99Forever Apr 2014 #22

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Did you know that the FFs included 'jury nullification' as a tool in our judicial system sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #117

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Apr 2014 #156

LOL, so America is a mistake? nt Logical Apr 2014 #13

Why do I hate America, you mean? ucrdem Apr 2014 #16

Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Ellsberg, Valerie Plame Doctor_J Apr 2014 #28

Wait, ProSense Apr 2014 #39

speaking of sibel edmonds exposing things arely staircase Apr 2014 #48

wow! I had not read that before thank you! SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #85

A turncoat used to be one who turned against the constitution and rule of law. zeemike Apr 2014 #30

Yeah, King George III agrees Paulie Apr 2014 #36

You are on the wrong side of this class war. You side with Gen Clapper and the authoritarians. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #42

The Founders were "turncoats", too MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #51

absolutely grasswire Apr 2014 #75

You're talking about the NSA, CIA, JackRiddler Apr 2014 #126

Of course you mean the NSA turncoats;) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #171

. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #7

Meanwhile, the mislabeling of said ungulates continues apace. riqster Apr 2014 #15

Recommended Autumn Apr 2014 #17

Well stated, grasswire. Octafish Apr 2014 #24

lotta goats here, friend grasswire Apr 2014 #25

Speaking of Goats... Octafish Apr 2014 #38

With Vladimir Putin AND Rand Paul on his side, how could he be wrong? baldguy Apr 2014 #27

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Welcome ProSense Apr 2014 #35

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With Gen Clapper on your side how can you be wrong. You are choosing the side of rhett o rick Apr 2014 #45

looks like some people never have read Sinclair Lewis. nt grasswire Apr 2014 #77

They are authoritarians. They worship the comfort that big daddy Gen Clapper gives them. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #79

With Dick Cheney on your side how can you be wrong? Broward Apr 2014 #76

The personal attacks come from one side the most. joshcryer Apr 2014 #29

... sheshe2 Apr 2014 #34

The closest Edward Snowden will ever get to a hero... Chan790 Apr 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2014 #46

Stop Judging and Criticizing People. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #147

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #143

Won't anyone think of Booz Allen Hamilton's profits!!! OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #184

generic "Federal Agent" now a Hero Rumold Apr 2014 #188

It's the wolves in sheep's clothing that are the most dangerous. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #50

I couldn't agree more nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #86

You just won GD Number23 Apr 2014 #102

LOL SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #106

Your post was a thing of beauty. Number23 Apr 2014 #107

It's good to see you too :) SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #108

And boom goes the dynamite...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #118

Nailed it in one. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #148

Indeed...makes my soul itch. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #122

Admitting you have a problem is the first step! Good Luck! bobduca Apr 2014 #125

There you are! I assume you caught the reference and took offense. msanthrope Apr 2014 #127

Took offense? no, i am just glad you are on the road to recovery! n/t bobduca Apr 2014 #164

So you didn't get the reference? Never play inside baseball msanthrope Apr 2014 #174

I don't speak frozen-cavewoman-lawyer bobduca Apr 2014 #177

, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #52

Both sides need to realize it's not about Snowden anymore. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #54

What??? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2014 #150

And the people on the wrong side of history will applaud you in 20 years. clg311 Apr 2014 #63

Funny, ProSense Apr 2014 #65

MLK and Snowden on the same side of history??? sheshe2 Apr 2014 #67

Please do not put SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #87

Thats easy to say now. clg311 Apr 2014 #159

"Hey Putin, do you guys spy?". lmao BenzoDia Apr 2014 #64

"Putty please tell me" nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #88

What's not funny is RobertEarl Apr 2014 #104

if snowden ever "traps" or otherwise embarrasses putin arely staircase Apr 2014 #112

oh please treestar Apr 2014 #114

Trapped Putin? Are you serious? BenzoDia Apr 2014 #186

The Left is always on the Right Side of history and once again, I am happy to be on that side. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #89

the exaggeration treestar Apr 2014 #113

Fascinating new VANITY FAIR article about him mainer Apr 2014 #119

Another thread... sendero Apr 2014 #120

Edward Snowden proved that the two most powerful men in the world are liars. Autumn Apr 2014 #121

Edward Snowden fixed healthcare.gov. ProSense Apr 2014 #128

Good lord. Autumn Apr 2014 #131

Yeah, I LMAO at every attempt to elevate Snowden to saving the world. ProSense Apr 2014 #133

He was just a young and impressionable lad when he said that. randome Apr 2014 #132

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Apr 2014 #151

Snowden: "My mission is finished." randome Apr 2014 #129

Thank you Eddie for clearly demonstrating your courage Progressive dog Apr 2014 #130

Torture is justice? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #134

Eddie had nothing to do with outing torture, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #135

If Snowden is captured by today's DOJ, he'll have a lot to do with torture MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #139

Moscow Eddie had nothing to do with outing torture Progressive dog Apr 2014 #141

First off, I never claim he did. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #142

So, Eddie Snowden claims he'll be tortured Progressive dog Apr 2014 #153

Any fairly sentient human being knows this MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #166

I didn't think Ellsberg had claimed to have been torured Progressive dog Apr 2014 #169

Secret laws? reACTIONary Apr 2014 #162

Someone better tell the DOJ MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #165

Judicial rulings concerning... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #173

Question: why do we need to show ID before we board a plane? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #179

Gee, I didn't know... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #191

The NSA is currently subverting the Constitution and we must fight against it. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #145

Snowden's question and op-ed were attempts to whitewash Russian spying by equating it to the NSA. ProSense Apr 2014 #146

Assuming, for the sake of discussion, that that is 100% true, it has nothing to merrily Apr 2014 #152

I support NSA reforms and oppose unwarranted surveillance. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #157

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To be fair, that isn't NEAR half. bvar22 Apr 2014 #163

AND...The Resuts of the ALERT: bvar22 Apr 2014 #190

But..but..Snowden has done so much harm to America....it's just nobody can tell us what it is. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #167

Aww. They're just mad about the Pulitzer. DirkGently Apr 2014 #168

These threads are excellent for exposing the authoritarian dems... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #176

Good for exposing Snowden fans. ProSense Apr 2014 #178

What a pious barf fest LordGlenconner Apr 2014 #180

Too bad kitty cat pictures are way more important to Amurikans Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #187