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muriel_volestrangler

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43. Burial costs are fixed, and you can't apply for insurance after you die

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:22 PM

Mar 2012

Thus, they are nothing whatsoever like health insurance. The cost of a one-time basic burial is not the equivalent of continued health care, and you cannot decide to apply for life insurance after you've found you're dead.

A mandate for buying food (hey, nice right wing talking point you've got there!) is also nothing whatsoever like health insurance. Again, there's no way you can retrospectively start eating healthy food when you find a junk food diet has given you a health problem.

It's very simple: the mandate is there to make it possible to say that people with pre-existing conditions must be accepted, while stopping people from not getting insurance until something major happens to them. Why do some people find this so complicated?

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If the law requiring you to buy private corporation health insurance is constitutional then [View all] Zalatix Mar 2012 OP

That represents a concise summary of Tuesday's questioning. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2012 #1

The law does not require you to buy insurance. It just makes you pay a penalty JDPriestly Mar 2012 #2

Is it a tax or a penalty? Riftaxe Mar 2012 #3

It is a tax and mislabelled as a purchase by our cowardly lawmakers who Skidmore Mar 2012 #45

I understand that it is a penalty that you pay only if you choose not to buy JDPriestly Mar 2012 #64

The Commerce Clause CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #4

i dont think it applies SwampG8r Mar 2012 #24

Please cite where in the Constitution insurance is exempted jeff47 Mar 2012 #62

The Constitution does not mention insurance, JDPriestly Mar 2012 #65

But why should someone be penalized for not buying something they cannot afford? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #8

That's really cute, talking about what President Obama said back in February 2008. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #15

What has Pres. Obama said to support the individual mandate? Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #19

so what he says today has SwampG8r Mar 2012 #25

It's too late to complain to me about what he said or didn't say. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #30

Cute? Is that what facts are called these days? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #28

The mandate doesn't apply to people who can't afford to buy health insurance. bornskeptic Mar 2012 #41

I don't think you were born skeptical enough. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #51

Which is why Medicaid is being expanded well above the "poverty line" jeff47 Mar 2012 #58

I also read there will be a sliding scale too. Nt marlakay Mar 2012 #67

Next thing you know they will want to edgineered Mar 2012 #5

Uh, you don't have to drive a car, you can ride a bike. Zalatix Mar 2012 #6

Polling results from Fox put me in the 1% edgineered Mar 2012 #7

yes, a drivers license is considered a "privilege" newspeak Mar 2012 #37

A drivers license is not free tabbycat31 Mar 2012 #74

not even close to being the same thing bowens43 Mar 2012 #9

Yes it is the same thing, and you have no argument for why it's not. Zalatix Mar 2012 #10

Dont forget that Dokkie Mar 2012 #16

Healthcare costs account for 17% of the GDP -- it is not the same thing. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #20

It clears things up only for fans of MITT ROMNEY. Zalatix Mar 2012 #31

Its not even remotely in the same neighborhood, at all, whatsoever. phleshdef Mar 2012 #42

Mandates are a Republican idea. Opposing them was and is a Democratic principle. The President sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #29

Then why are the Republicans trying to kill "Obamacare"? emulatorloo Mar 2012 #34

I agree they are trying to kill the bill. Being the hypocrites they are they are using Mandates sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #36

Which one of Obama's bills hasn't the Republicans tried to kill? Zalatix Mar 2012 #54

Did Hannity just leave? edgineered Mar 2012 #11

+1 Johonny Mar 2012 #53

Because you can get sick in several states quaker bill Mar 2012 #12

Hmmm federal crop insurance is required for farmers if they want to participate. LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #35

oh fucking please cali Mar 2012 #13

You're seriously going to REGRET your attitude Zalatix Mar 2012 #55

It'll be schooling. They'll abolish public schools, and turn the 16 years of compulsory education... JVS Mar 2012 #66

You aren't forced to pay for a private corporation's school. Zalatix Mar 2012 #68

Not yet. Just wait. JVS Mar 2012 #69

if the courts leaves the law in place I hope they can limit it alc Mar 2012 #14

Gun mandate? Dokkie Mar 2012 #17

I'm more worried about privatizing social security Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #18

ACA is actually the first step toward privatizing Medicare. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #47

Where Ezra fails is it's also the first step towards Medicare-for-all jeff47 Mar 2012 #63

isnt SS basically retirement insurance? qazplm Mar 2012 #21

You are not forced to buy SS from a for profit insurance company. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #22

SS is a government program, it is not a for profit enterprise newspeak Mar 2012 #40

Agree on all points. But I would rather not think about what WS would do with SS. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #44

Does the funeral industry account for 1/6 of this nations economy? The Midway Rebel Mar 2012 #23

Or how about some Mandate the Government shoves some wand up a woman's snatch.. Bandit Mar 2012 #26

you get a tax break for paying mortgage interest Bill McBlueState Mar 2012 #27

So you are on the right wing broccoli talking point? Cool. emulatorloo Mar 2012 #32

The law forcing people to buy health insurance is a MITT ROMNEY talking point. Zalatix Mar 2012 #33

Need I point out that Romney is against Obamacare? emulatorloo Mar 2012 #38

Forcing you to buy products from a private corporation is absurd. Zalatix Mar 2012 #50

Were you a US justice in a previous life? Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #39

Burial costs are fixed, and you can't apply for insurance after you die muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #43

How about being required to buy a photo ID, and needing it to vote. hughee99 Mar 2012 #46

Ah yes, the voter ID laws where your freely-provided SS card isn't good enough Zalatix Mar 2012 #59

Not at all, just that if the federal government has the authority to do such things, hughee99 Mar 2012 #61

voter ID laws Dokkie Mar 2012 #77

True, but one of the arguments against such laws is that hughee99 Mar 2012 #78

Same talking point as Justice Scalia? FSogol Mar 2012 #48

It's not a mandate. You can choose not to buy in. Period. librechik Mar 2012 #49

Not true. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #52

hypothetically. I will have to wait and see how this shakes out. However, librechik Mar 2012 #56

What happens if the fed govt bypasses private health insurance? LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #57

Your burial costs are already covered by Social Security jeff47 Mar 2012 #60

Actually, you can buy insurance to get tax relief. tinrobot Mar 2012 #70

I already do quaker bill Mar 2012 #71

Are mortgage interest deductions unconstitutional as well? tinrobot Mar 2012 #72

That's fine but Hospitals shouldn't be required to treat you by the Feds either if you cbdo2007 Mar 2012 #73

Great Republican talking point there! Zalatix Mar 2012 #75

Dude---your Op is a republican talking point. trumad Mar 2012 #76

The entire forced health insurance purchase idea is a GOP talking point Zalatix Mar 2012 #79