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332. You have a horrible concept of refutation...

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 10:31 AM

Apr 2014

"So, the question: Would we still be in Iraq today – or even have gone to war with Iraq – if there was a military draft in this country?

Look at our involvements in past wars. From the Civil War to World Wars I and II, the Korean War, and even Vietnam, the United States had a military draft - and those wars were all far shorter than the Iraq debacle.

Coincidence? I think not...

We need to bring back the draft. Our founding fathers knew its value. That's why they formed a citizen-based militia. When George Washington, in his farewell address warned us to beware of foreign entanglements, he knew that a citizen militia – what today is closest to a draft – was the best way to prevent us from jumping into foreign military misadventures.

A draft system is a great leveler. When there's a draft, what our founders called a "citizen's militia," every single American has some skin in the game.

Fewer than 1 percent of Americans have been touched by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Fewer than 1 percent of Americans have experienced the pain and suffering of losing a loved one on a distant battlefield.

But if we had a draft, our involvement in wars would affect everyone, from Main Street to Capitol Hill. The children of our nation's lawmakers would be serving in the military, putting a very personal face on a war. History shows that when we have a draft, our lawmakers are less enthusiastic to start wars, and more enthusiastic to end them quickly."

At least read what you're given and not skimp for a second looking for something to find to dismiss it, which you obviously did.

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Involuntary servitude? Never. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #1

it's called handmade34 Apr 2014 #175

No, it's more accurately described as slavery. Lasher Apr 2014 #258

Not any more..... ballyhoo Apr 2014 #278

How about serving in the nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #732

That would be okay with me. I've ballyhoo Apr 2014 #735

National service in most countries that have it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #737

That sounds like a way to go, where such an option ballyhoo Apr 2014 #739

That is not even a conversation though and that is a problem nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #740

I resented that when I was in the service and it began ballyhoo Apr 2014 #741

We may very well be reaching that point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #742

Well, I leave the house with trepidation every day ballyhoo Apr 2014 #746

Not a problem, I have to do some writing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #747

I'm sorry about how you feel about your service AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #974

You held a WW II military commission? Did I misunderstand? Thanks for clarifying uppityperson Apr 2014 #743

I'm scratching my head on that one too..... panader0 Apr 2014 #806

..and the legend grows..... dionysus Apr 2014 #934

we better add another to that impressive resume! dionysus Apr 2014 #935

Pardon me? Do you NOT clean YOUR house? Do you not do maintenance to YOUR house? And are you Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #856

Took the words out of my mouth... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #865

I definitely think that is the typical Republican attitude... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #866

Yeah, I'm surprised it's here in DU... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #867

Honestly, I'm not. There are plenty of Republican moles in here which get outed every day nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #872

Oh? Seriously? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #883

Some would know better than others. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #888

Well, don't be vague then and give a concrete answer. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #896

Returning trolls would know best. That's self-evident. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #901

And who would they be? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #903

That depends on the troll, n'est-cest pas? Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #905

Are you trying to say you're a troll? I don't follow... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #907

No, not at all. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #909

Well, in the future, don't be so rude and actually be constructive. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #911

One man's rudeness is another adam's constructivity. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #913

Either you're implying I'm a troll or you're just trying to bother me AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #914

Buh bye. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #917

It is good that others can see it too AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #964

Not wanting others to be forced into involuntary servitude is a Republican attitude? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #873

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #875

Well, its the Republicans most fiercely against it AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #970

You bet I do. And I'm not willing to force a young person into involuntary servitude Jgarrick Apr 2014 #877

Oh! So it's not YOUR country? It's someone else's so you owe it nothing? SO Republican. SO NRA Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #878

Yeah, I don't get this attitude either here AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #969

I think we should just expect two or three years of service AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #971

Oh, so we're only going to tell young women and men what to do with their bodies for a few years. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #972

Like we already do, so yes AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #975

Mandatory education only applies to minors, not adults. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #980

So? It's still selective. All I'm saying is to move the bar up a bit. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #989

Controlling another adult's life for years is only moving the bar a "bit"? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #994

Yes it is AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1004

We should, not just the military nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #2

Oh I agree AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #30

How would you set up such a national service system? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #47

At 18 a kid reports to a center nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #68

Oh I agree with this totally AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #80

Yup, you need officers nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #92

Hey I agree again :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #99

You go into the service, as an E-3 and owe uncle sam for college nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #102

Yeah, we're on the same wave length AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #120

Ah the testing... is exactly what led to 90 day officer wonder during WW II nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #124

I guess I would do what Finland does in this regard AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #128

Well, we are dreaming, it won't happen nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #131

Yeah I agree, but it's still fun to muse about. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #138

I served ten years nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #139

Wow, why were you doing service in Mexico? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #146

I grew up in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #149

You have a very interesting background AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #152

Thank you for always sharing the truth as you see it, Nadin! -NT Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #478

Yeah, he/she has a good perspective :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #681

Why are you so focused on the military? This country has way tblue37 Apr 2014 #1002

Well, I'm not just focused on the military AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1008

It Wouldn't be a big Hit With the Firemen's Union AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #264

In California the ccc supports firefighters right now. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #286

Exactly AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #697

I do, since Reagan civil service is evil nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #700

Indeed AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #703

Those older adults remember Nam nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #716

I hear ya, and I understand their feelings, but I'm not proposing a Vietnam style draft AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #729

Exactly! That would be great! But ... there would need to be some kind of mechanism to ensure a RKP5637 Apr 2014 #279

That is why none has to worry about this happening nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #287

Sadly, often the US functions more as a cash register than a country. BTW, change 'goof idea' RKP5637 Apr 2014 #573

That's horrible what happened to him. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #570

I agree that it could have some positive effects, but also some negative effects el_bryanto Apr 2014 #3

It kind of would give jobs to a mass unemployed force AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #31

Forcing Workers to Compete with Conscript Labor AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #242

A lot of this stuff should be done with conscripted labor as opposed to high paid workers AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #330

FFS. Sure, why pay people when you can force them to be slaves? TBF Apr 2014 #785

Aw, come on. You'd feed them and give them a cabin to work in. uppityperson Apr 2014 #786

Is my memory failing or didn't this country fight a war about this about 150 years ago? greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #787

National Service = Slavery. Weird that Americans seem to be the only ones who think this... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #796

I don't understand your comment. stone space Apr 2014 #810

I can't take this "National Service = Slavery" comment seriously anymore... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #812

At least, National Guard should be mandatory.nt clarice Apr 2014 #4

Why do you say that? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #10

Here is what I was thinking the benefits might be. clarice Apr 2014 #18

Yeah I agree with you on all this. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #27

Some people can be very cruel. nt clarice Apr 2014 #104

We used to have such a thing, back in the dark ages, when we were fighting something called MADem Apr 2014 #5

Just make the draft equitable AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #29

So it's more moral to force someone to endanger their life against their will? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #105

In a war, yes AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #111

I don't know JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #283

War sucks, but it's immoral not to expose everyone to it if its a necessary war AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #338

My dad JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #468

Yeah I agree with you to an extent AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #471

Here's something that would make me to for it JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #475

Yeah, I'd agree with this as well. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #477

wise person, you are handmade34 Apr 2014 #187

I assume this is sarcasm? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #193

absolutely not... handmade34 Apr 2014 #209

Wow, thanks! AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #211

Has Never Been Fair -- Cannot be Made Fair AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #262

Make everyone do it or have a fair lottery. Easy as pie. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #334

I have an idea... ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #427

lol BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #434

It would make a great book and movie, don't ya think? ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #437

hahahhahahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Apr 2014 #455

Yeah sounds like a good idea AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #457

Let me try again. Drafts are unequally applied. The ONLY way to get it equal is to uppityperson Apr 2014 #466

You can make it equal AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #469

No, I can not make it equal. I have tried but it never is. You are wrong, I can not make it equal. uppityperson Apr 2014 #472

Now you're just being needlessly sarcastic and hyperbolic AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #474

You told me I could do something, I point out I can not and you insult me. Gotcha. uppityperson Apr 2014 #476

Not easy as pie because we live in an oligarchy. pangaia Apr 2014 #489

I think conscription would erode the oligarchy. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #491

HUH?? pangaia Apr 2014 #500

Witty rebuttal :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #502

Oligarchies are all knowing, all seeing and unalterable? AcertainLiz May 2014 #1045

Not everyone has the same capabilities. wickerwoman May 2014 #1031

Thanks for all this, you bring up some valid points AcertainLiz May 2014 #1046

? wickerwoman May 2014 #1058

Oh please, don't confuse GDP with economic well-being AcertainLiz May 2014 #1061

Not everyone CAN Do It AndyTiedye May 2014 #1035

If you medically can't, you won't. AcertainLiz May 2014 #1047

Community Service is a requirement for graduation from High School in my area notadmblnd Apr 2014 #33

Was for me too AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #49

It wasn't for me back in the days of olde. Thankfully. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #110

Not two years worth, though! MADem Apr 2014 #125

No. I think it was 40 hours in 4 hour increments notadmblnd Apr 2014 #135

Give it time. Someone WILL bring the "uncompensated labor" lawsuit. MADem Apr 2014 #177

this service (mndatory community service) handmade34 Apr 2014 #215

It wasn't that easy to buy one's way out of the Civil War draft Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #170

Sure--it was a perk for the One Percent of the era. An unfair one, to be sure. MADem Apr 2014 #176

I remember reading about people buying "replacements" in Team of Rivals davidpdx Apr 2014 #268

I regard it as a One Percenter's perk--a vestige of the days of serfs and lords. MADem Apr 2014 #271

Whereas I think Arver vs United states was wrongly decided. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #6

Is jury duty immoral and disgusting? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #8

No, and no. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #17

It's not immoral and "anti-freedom" to force people to do some things in service to society AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #25

Are you able to distinguish between calling a policy and a country immoral? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #28

You're not making a convincing argument. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #34

Well, I am, but you're choosing to ignore it. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #48

I read it, and it's totally subjective AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #51

I'm afraid that unless you provide more details as to your objection, I can't help you. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #58

All you've said is its unnecssary, thus its immoral and anti-free, thus evil and bad...I guess. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #62

What about compulsory education? demwing Apr 2014 #123

If done to compos mentis adults then yes, I do. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #127

In other words - a little evil is OK for the kids, but not for me demwing Apr 2014 #294

Thanks for this :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #572

Parents can Opt Out and Homeschool AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #265

But they still must "school" demwing Apr 2014 #267

Because mandatory schooling secures the child's right to an education. wickerwoman May 2014 #1032

Yeah, my point exactly. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #571

What is your definition of involuntary servitude? oldhippie Apr 2014 #37

But conscription is not banned by the 13th Amendment AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #44

It isn't? oldhippie Apr 2014 #50

No, it isn't. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #54

No, ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #61

But the law isn't based on your personal opinions. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #65

Yes, I know that, but ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #69

You said its banned by the 13th Amendment AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #72

Uh, no I didn't ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #78

Uh, yeah you did... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #89

Ok, I'll try to be more clear ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #112

So in other words, you think it forbids it. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #115

Again, what is your definition of involuntary servitude? oldhippie Apr 2014 #52

Im okay with some forms of involuntary temporary service. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #56

And I am not .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #60

Okay? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #64

Really? Serious? oldhippie Apr 2014 #75

Well, you can't save everyone :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #95

We still have a draft on the books, we just don't use it anymore. It's a last-ditch thing now. MADem Apr 2014 #185

I'm not proposing a draft though AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #191

You're proposing a draft. You just don't realize it. nt MADem Apr 2014 #222

Some states PAY people for jury duty. So it's involuntary, but is it "servitude?" MADem Apr 2014 #181

In any National Service scheme people would be paid. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #183

My point is as I've articulated it upthread. It's a shitty idea. MADem Apr 2014 #196

I don't see any evidence of this AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #197

You don't see ANY evidence? REALLY? MADem Apr 2014 #221

Thanks for the general Wikipedia link on the subject AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #229

If you don't like the "general Wikipedia" you are free to click on the extensive list of MADem Apr 2014 #232

So slavery is ok when they are not really citizens. dilby Apr 2014 #7

Slavery? I didn't know Norway and Finland for ex. were major practiontioners of slavery AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #12

I've got to correct you there KitSileya Apr 2014 #813

It does officially AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #817

De jure it may have conscription, KitSileya Apr 2014 #823

I'm skeptical of what you say AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #826

Obviously, you refuse to have a serious discussion online KitSileya Apr 2014 #830

I can believe you if you give me some evidence contradicting what I've read online AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #835

The elites will love this proposal, more cannon fodder. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #9

But the elites couldn't get out of it. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #11

Hahaha BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #14

Why? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #19

Well BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #250

Seems like you could use this argument against taxation then? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #327

yes? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #366

So you're against taxation? :/ AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #370

Heh BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #376

So...are you against taxation or not? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #380

What BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #406

Give anyone severe penalties for draft dodging. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #411

What? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #414

Wut? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #416

things are not equitable or fair in this society BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #422

" things are not equitable or fair in this society" They can be though AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #429

Liz BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #431

If you think thing can never improve, why even bother with politics? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #438

Its called being realistic BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #443

If you think everything is hopeless, why waste your time? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #448

It is better BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #452

Well, you just sound like a bitter quitter. I wish I could inspire you with hope. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #459

He doesn't sound bitter to me. Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #486

He does to me AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #496

Whatever. Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #504

At least you've been polite :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #506

Huh? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #588

I'm tired of arguing with you, so let's just leave it at this AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #607

Separate fantasy world and real life in the U.S.of Oligarchy..the Elites ALWAYS GET AWAY with It. 2banon Apr 2014 #750

Like they did in WW II and Korea nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #759

Elites get out of taxation so let's get rid of taxes! AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #798

They got out of it the last time the draft was around. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #15

I dont think Iraq would have happened if we had a draft AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #21

Of course it would have happened. jeff47 Apr 2014 #84

I don't think unnecessary wars would happen with a draft, and Im not the only one to make that AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #100

And you're not the only one who is wrong about that argument. jeff47 Apr 2014 #246

I guess we'll disagree that Vietnam was necessary AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #333

Have you studied the Viet Nam war? Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #341

I studied it both in school and on my own AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #354

Just curious how a 19 yr old would have such an opinion Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #362

Why can't I have an opinion on it? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #367

Who said you couldn't? You made a point in your profile Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #371

Who said I knew much about it? I don't AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #374

Liz, in your school, pangaia Apr 2014 #485

Sort of yeah, I even had a Vietnam War vet as a history teacher :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #488

Sort of? What doe 'sort of' mean? pangaia Apr 2014 #490

They briefly touched on these subjects AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #494

They "briefly touched on these subjects." ? pangaia Apr 2014 #507

Yeah it wasn't very in depth actually AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #509

Vietnam was utterly and completely unnecessary. jeff47 Apr 2014 #576

We fought to protect South Vietnam. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #609

Let them be insulted BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #631

Since I've heard the total opposite from all the Vietnamese I know, and their families AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #635

My sources? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #644

Thanks, but I've never heard this from the Vietnamese community before AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #647

There were plenty of other countries we did not protect. jeff47 Apr 2014 #658

Gotta start somewhere AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #667

Oh.my.god. I can't believe anyone wrote that statement in the year 2014. 2banon Apr 2014 #765

Would you prefer I time travel to 1969 and write this? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #801

Of course it would have 'happened.' pangaia Apr 2014 #108

Yeah and an all volunteer force enables this AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #114

As someone else here explained, pangaia Apr 2014 #153

They're wrong AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #157

Your proof that it would not happen is that it would be a shorter war. jeff47 Apr 2014 #247

You have a horrible concept of refutation... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #332

So things would have been better Union Scribe Apr 2014 #353

Why is it a bad idea? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #361

I will only reply once Union Scribe Apr 2014 #363

I can be moved by convincing arguments. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #372

It didn't prevent the war in Vietnam. Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #497

I don't think it could have because it needed to be done AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #498

Wait a second- Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #508

Against North Vietnam, yeah AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #510

Why? Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #517

To protect South Vietnam, our ally. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #518

LOL! Yeah, sure. Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #519

Witty rebuttal :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #520

Ok. Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #522

Thanks for your responses :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #523

Sure, welcome. Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #525

So time to move the goalposts then? jeff47 Apr 2014 #575

Thanks for your very "long" rebuttal, but it's really pointless and incorrect AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #613

Reading. You are utterly and completely failing at it. jeff47 Apr 2014 #660

Yeah, I'm not going to bother with you any longer AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #668

It would have happened sooner. MADem Apr 2014 #234

If we had a Draft, We'd be at War With IRAN AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #263

We'd be invading Iran if more Americans would potentially die? Doesn't make sense AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #335

Except a lack of Volunteers AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #596

An exception to a lack of volunteers? What are you talking about? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #599

So DOD is redusing the force due to a lack of volunteers nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #701

Bush / Cheney would have invaded Iran AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #1019

You do know military pay is getting cut right now right nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1023

Would Have to be cut a lot more to pay all the conscripts AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #1024

I am talking reality right now nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1025

With an Army Several Times Larger AndyTiedye May 2014 #1034

The elites play by different rules, no matter the game. nt City Lights Apr 2014 #20

Not really, no. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #23

Of course they will. They got out of the draft. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #55

Why is it inevitable they would? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #59

Because the elites dictate policy, and in every war with compulsory service in US history the elites LeftyMom Apr 2014 #87

Don't worry, the elites do not want one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #97

Such a system would erode elite control AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #106

For the 100+ years we actually had one it did the opposite. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #126

We never did AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #134

Sure they could--ask George W. Bush and Dan Quayle. nt MADem Apr 2014 #201

Just don't give them exemptions. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #204

They didn't GET "exemptions." They got the equivalent of a "no work/no show" job. nt MADem Apr 2014 #207

Just give them jail time if they refuse to report. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #302

They're the ones making the rules. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #384

We the people will make the rules AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #602

Yes, let's fill the prisons with draft resisters--that worked SO well back in the day! MADem Apr 2014 #586

Like THAT ever happens. Jamastiene Apr 2014 #966

So it's impossible to ever have people treated fairly? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #967

In America, yes. Jamastiene Apr 2014 #973

So nothing will ever change in that regard? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #979

They always have. Why would it change now? chrisa Apr 2014 #292

Why have taxation if the rich can get out of it? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #301

Also ironically its the elites most opposed to this idea... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #38

Ironically it is them who are far more opposed to it than you are nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #119

It costs upwards of twenty thousand dollars to get an E-1 to his or her first duty station. MADem Apr 2014 #259

Disagree BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #13

Maybe at this very moment AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #35

Ok BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #249

Drafts are war killers for one AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #326

They are? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #377

Well, there's this example AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #382

Lol BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #387

Lulz AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #393

What BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #404

No, it shouldn't even have, because those were necessary wars. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #409

Myopic view BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #412

I said a draft prevents unnecessary wars and gave sources to that effect AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #417

And yet BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #420

Vietnam was just? ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #436

+1 Gemini Cat Apr 2014 #537

You say, "... because those were necessary wars...." pangaia Apr 2014 #484

Strictly keeping with the US AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #487

Korea and Vietnam were both lies. pangaia Apr 2014 #511

How were they lies? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #512

I gave you something easy to google. pangaia Apr 2014 #515

Fair enough... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #516

How was Vietnam necessary? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #590

I'd like for you to tell that to the Vietnamese community here in the US. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #610

So you know, I know the community. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #997

Well, I figure most Vietnamese here would agree with me, since they waive the South Viet. flag AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1006

Either San Diego or LA nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1009

I'm an OC baby actually :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1010

Yup, the other community where you have large immigrant communities nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1012

I love our ethnic diversity here in OC personally AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1014

I love diversity myself nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1016

I embrace diversity AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1020

"hey feel no one should have to have any responsibility" cyberswede Apr 2014 #1027

How is it right wing? AcertainLiz May 2014 #1042

Well... cyberswede May 2014 #1043

Okay, let me see... AcertainLiz May 2014 #1051

I do, too. I think we should be required to serve our country pnwmom Apr 2014 #16

I'm also for compulsory voting AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #40

Anyone who votes only because it's compulsory is someone I don't want voting in the first place Jgarrick Apr 2014 #118

Then you don't want Australians voting AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #121

If any individual Australian is so shallow as to only vote under the threat of a fine...yes. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #165

Think about it marions ghost Apr 2014 #297

Exactly. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #611

If "national service" is defined very broadly, I could potentially support the idea. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #22

Agreed AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #24

Mandatory military service would just make the Defense budget even bigger than it is. Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #26

Not really AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #32

Germany got rid of conscription in 2011. MADem Apr 2014 #239

I know Germany got rid of it, and that some want to bring it back, which makes sense AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #328

You're using a thirteen year old article written by a neocon nutjob to "prove" your point? MADem Apr 2014 #524

What article are you referring to? I've used several. Mostly from liberal and left wing sources. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #529

Follow your own discussion--the link in the post I was responding to. nt MADem Apr 2014 #536

Well, you're wrong in any case. Check some of the other links I've given... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #543

That's just BS AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #532

You use articles written by self-admitted neocons to butress your argument, and MADem Apr 2014 #539

I've been insulted here and told I'm full of it a lot, with no consequences, and I'm tired of it. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #544

What is "insulting" about telling you--and then proving it--that your source is a neoncon nut? MADem Apr 2014 #564

You have been here one week TBF Apr 2014 #583

+ a whole lot! nt DocMac Apr 2014 #829

A smaller budget, or a smaller expenditure per person? Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #552

The latter AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #556

Curious, where is there data on this? Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #559

Data on? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #567

Direct personnel expenditures per military member for the countries with mandatory service Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #582

Well, Israel and several other nations have modern militaries at a much lower cost than the US AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #608

Largely because they don't have the investment in weapons. Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #614

Why would we need to increase investment in weapons? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #616

Because it would be a massive increase in the number of military members Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #618

I mean bombs, rockets, drones, warships, etc. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #619

Good or bad isn't the issue under discussion here. The discussion is about cost. Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #621

You said "weapons" you should have just said "guns" or "small arms" or such AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #625

*I* should have said? I'm responsible for your misinterpretation? Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #633

Yes, you should be less vague, and the confusion is your fault as the result of your vagueness. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #638

... Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #642

You were rude first. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #643

No. nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #36

I agree Liz. 99Forever Apr 2014 #39

Thanks :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #42

it might be ok to have it in iself, but it wont do anything to prevent militarism JI7 Apr 2014 #41

I think it would. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #43

not based on history and comparisons to other nations like israel JI7 Apr 2014 #45

Well, I disagree. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #46

Lincoln freed the slaves, honey. It was in all the papers. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #53

So Finland, Greece, Austria and Norway for ex. practice slavery? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #57

Your argument is both disingenuous and ultimately irrelevant. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #71

6 points. pangaia Apr 2014 #88

Oh dear... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #90

Finland is 'males only' compulsory military service, favored by Liz because Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #137

Greece is "males only" as well, and the period of service is brief. MADem Apr 2014 #568

Funny that I say the exact opposite in my original post AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #612

+1,000 nt MADem Apr 2014 #272

Excuse me, mam. 99Forever Apr 2014 #66

You took the words out of my mouth. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #70

Controlling the labor of adults is slavery. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #73

Nonsense. 99Forever Apr 2014 #82

Indeed, it's ridiculous hyperbole. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #91

So if society owns the labor of the individual it's ok, Got you. dilby Apr 2014 #94

More nonsense hyperbole. 99Forever Apr 2014 #159

But don't you know, the "me me me!" attitude is sacred AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #162

What have I taken that I have not given back? dilby Apr 2014 #227

Of course you do! 99Forever Apr 2014 #230

"society is working just fine" handmade34 Apr 2014 #237

Seconding that... marions ghost Apr 2014 #298

What is "involuntary servitude"? nt oldhippie Apr 2014 #155

What is being a "selfish drain on society?" n/t 99Forever Apr 2014 #161

That's what I thought. oldhippie Apr 2014 #189

Because the part about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #275

There are several million people who ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #295

So quite frankly RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #670

Eat a what? 99Forever Apr 2014 #684

:>))))))))))))))))))))))) pangaia Apr 2014 #81

how does your point sytem work? /nt demwing Apr 2014 #143

well. humm 2 points for a basket. pangaia Apr 2014 #148

I've got no problem with the idea..... daleanime Apr 2014 #63

How do you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #67

Liz you have a ton of time to post on DU HangOnKids Apr 2014 #79

It's called having nothing to do inbetween high school and the military AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Apr 2014 #256

Already have it ... Trillo Apr 2014 #74

Add some years of compulsory service, after which you can do whatever you want with life AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #83

It would be simple to avoid madville Apr 2014 #76

I agree our system would need massive reforms to make it fair AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #86

Heck yeah lets chain these people up and maybe we can get them to call us master too. dilby Apr 2014 #98

"Slave labor" I forgot that Israel, Finland, South Korea, etc are using slave labor... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #101

Forcing people to work against their will is slavery. dilby Apr 2014 #107

You're kidding, right? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #113

Yes forcing someone to work against their will is slavery. dilby Apr 2014 #116

TIL that Austria and Finland and South Korea have legalized slavery. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #129

Japan had conscription in WWII. dilby Apr 2014 #218

Thanks for your ridiculous hyperbole and dodging my statement :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #339

Your two examples--Austria and Finland--only require compulsory service from MALES. MADem Apr 2014 #273

Well, I'd do both males and females for two to three years like Israel. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #340

Males have to do a longer tour of duty than females do in Israel--and only half of the MADem Apr 2014 #425

Well that's easy, just make it more equitable. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #430

Are you in charge of DU now? Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #433

Just a polite suggestion. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #440

You should check the rules on posting. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #442

I'm sure we've come to an amicable agreement AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #451

You have used right wing and inaccurate sources to "make your case" here. MADem Apr 2014 #527

Salon and Thom Hartmann are right wing sources? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #531

Your little article was written by right-wing neocon nutjob ANN MARLOWE. MADem Apr 2014 #541

You're just trying to poison the well...oh well AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #545

Maybe we can have the people forced into involuntary service ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #243

Lol AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #696

No to compulsory - Highlight current incentives instead? karadax Apr 2014 #77

agreed AngryAmish Apr 2014 #85

Mandatory, no. Highly encouraged through financial incentives, absolutely. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #96

Conscripts make lousy soldiers, but good cannon fodder. SQUEE Apr 2014 #103

Not really AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #109

Everything I've READ. SQUEE Apr 2014 #117

Funny that I've found differing arguments in a few minutes... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #122

Ah well if that random guy's blog says so, then...case closed. tritsofme Apr 2014 #136

Random guy who happens to be a military expert... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #140

And he doubles as a RW nutjob tritsofme Apr 2014 #144

I don't agree with that AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #151

Arguing for some sort of mandatory non-military service is much different tritsofme Apr 2014 #163

I think I've already demonstrated why I think differently AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #167

He is NOT a military expert--he's a REAL ESTATE expert who spent a few years in service. MADem Apr 2014 #535

Thanks for the brief Wiki page :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #542

He didn't serve as many years as I did, that's for certain. He's a REAL ESTATE writer. MADem Apr 2014 #546

Oh forget it AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #548

I'm not the one carrying neocon water in this conversation. MADem Apr 2014 #553

Odd you use a volunteer x4 SQUEE Apr 2014 #141

Having had to lead troops both in Viet Nam ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #198

And I have read Vietnam vets who say the exact opposite. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #200

Works for Israel davidn3600 Apr 2014 #130

I think the Israeli system has a lot of benefits AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #132

Despite Israel's near perpetual wartime footing, only half of citizens actually serve. MADem Apr 2014 #276

Israel has roughly the land mass and population of New Jersey Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #373

I'd rather see the military more focused on the National Guard AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #695

Been a busy week huh? NightWatcher Apr 2014 #133

:>))))))))) pangaia Apr 2014 #195

Holy Fucking Shit HangOnKids Apr 2014 #257

Seriously. nt TBF Apr 2014 #293

Let's do this one. Define what you mean by 'truly conscientious objectors' Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #142

I'd do what Germany did when they had it AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #150

So you were not honest with the poster who says 'I hate the MIC so I'd Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #166

Hmm? I'm being dishonest about what? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #172

Hating the military has never been the standard for being a moral objector Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #238

No, you need to pay attention, good sir (ma'am?) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #325

I'm curious as to how mandatory service affects already high unemployment polly7 Apr 2014 #145

Hmm? It seems to have a positive impact on employment in some countries AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #147

I understand that these people would possibly be in that unemployment pool themselves polly7 Apr 2014 #154

I think social services should be able to "take advantage" of the youth in that way. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #158

I didn't say anyone was being taken advantage of. polly7 Apr 2014 #164

Some wars are necessary AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #168

'Most' wars aren't necessary. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #171

And some are. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #173

.... polly7 Apr 2014 #210

So in wars of necessity, people should be allowed to defer it to someone else? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #212

Exception to the rule and probably partially the fruit of previous less necessary wars. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #269

Exceptions to the rule always have to exist, what's your point? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #337

I sent an email to then Idaho Governor Phil Batt on my "Harvest Corps" plan. brewens Apr 2014 #156

Intereting idea :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #160

I didn't get a real response. Kind of a generic, "The Governor appreciates your idea and will... brewens Apr 2014 #169

Lol, go figure... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #174

Agreed. nt doxydad Apr 2014 #178

Why do you agree, if I may ask? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #179

Agree some type of national service but keep military all volunteer Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #180

Very intriguing system you propose AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #188

Q: Are you a vet? Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #192

I will be. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #194

In honor of that I am going to give you Military Life Lesson #1 Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #203

I'm going into the Army with my boyfriend AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #206

Well good luck with your life choice, one thing for sure it will be an adventure Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #216

Well, I personally can't wait AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #225

Whether one hates or enjoys their service has nothing to do with my position Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #266

Well, sounds like the military to me. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #336

Q: Are you ready and willing to die for this country? Y or N Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #595

Y. That's the simple answer AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #600

Once you raise your paw and are in it does not matter what you are Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #639

This is all true, and Im fine with it AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #640

If you are actually thinking of going AWOL as an option Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #654

Only if it's ethically necessary. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #694

You still do not get it, IT is not all about you. You go AWOL you are letting others down Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #783

So if I have to kill civilians, you'd rather I do that than go AWOL? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #797

If you are unwilling to kill civilians, you have no business joining the military cemaphonic Apr 2014 #1017

Now you're just being ridiculous and obtuse AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1022

Best wishes to you both. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #220

Thanks :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #226

I am Pro-Choice AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #296

To a certain extent AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #300

you say you will sign up when "everything I want to do beforehand is done"? uppityperson Apr 2014 #738

"life is not always about just you" handmade34 Apr 2014 #240

Yup! handmade34 Apr 2014 #182

Well, at least some are on the same wave length as me. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #184

Thomas Jefferson... handmade34 Apr 2014 #199

And we agree again AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #202

They will establish a loop hole for the rich kids to get out of the ''mandatory'' part ..trust me. YOHABLO Apr 2014 #186

That'd be easy to overcome AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #190

Of course it would be 'easy to overcome' in theory, in reality not. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #205

I think it's easier than you think. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #208

Thinking isn't living. ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #444

No. alarimer Apr 2014 #213

No taxation or jury duty or community service then? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #214

None of those are forced labor. dilby Apr 2014 #228

"Taxation is justified, society makes it possible for you to earn your income so you need to give ba AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #231

As taxation is done now, ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #446

Get back to me when our military does more than serve the greed of our elite. nt RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #217

It would if we had conscription AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #223

You mean like in Vietnam? RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #245

Vietnam ended because of the draft, so yeah AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #329

Vietnam ended because of Watergate Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #383

Nixon ran on an anti-war platform AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #391

He didn't run on an anti-war platform. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #394

High school AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #403

He ran opposing the draft so as to undermine the anti-war movement Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #408

Thanks for proving my point on conscription :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #413

You claimed Nixon was anti war and when it is pointed out Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #419

I said he ran on an anti war platform, not that he sincerely was. He was a politician after all AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #424

Cite this anti-war platform please. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #428

Here AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #454

That is funny. It was not an anti war platform. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #458

Yet he ran on a plan to negotiate a peace and end the draft AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #465

Except I heard many of his speeches. He was not anti-war. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #481

Give YouTube clips of these speeches AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #482

Here you go: Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #493

That's not pro-war, thats just not pro getting out immediately. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #495

Fail. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #499

Oh well, since you've resorted to insults, I'm going to ignore you, so I don't have to bother AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #501

Fine.I will not be ignoring you. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #526

Since Kingofalldems has said everything I would've, let me just offer you some advice... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #593

I actually ignored him/her due to their rudeness and paranoia AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #603

I'm not interested in going on patrol... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #219

I don't think this fits with the reality of the situation AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #224

No, it doesn't. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #233

How do you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #304

I'm a dual citizen. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #331

Of? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #693

Does that matter? Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #887

What are you talking about? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #895

Uhhhh.... I am a dual citizen. I had to do mandatory service in the other country. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #899

Why don't you go into which country this was and what kind of service? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #902

I am in that country. My service is completed. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #904

What country is this, and exactly why was it a waste of time? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #906

I could ask you the same. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #908

Being that you refuse to actually say where you're from or how you've come across this info AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #910

It doesn't matter where I'm from. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #912

I don't believe anything you're telling me, sorry to say AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #915

You haven't answered my question though. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #918

As a retired Army vet AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #235

Seems to work for a lot of militaries AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #305

Which militaries today are comprised mostly AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #645

Many militaries are made up in large part of draftees and are free AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #648

Guess again AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #650

Um..Europe does have them, as clearly indicated on the map. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #652

You said many AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #653

Well, actually many in the world AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #657

Not Europe as a single polity? How about minority of countries in Europe? uppityperson Apr 2014 #655

You would have a problem serving side by side nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #722

You know I had left this AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #869

I notice you left the IDF out on purpose nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #871

We were talking about Europe before you butted in. AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #874

I am sorry I have a *more global view of the world than you do* nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #879

Yes you did butt in AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #962

I see your feelings got hurt nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #965

Complete your first enlistment... actslikeacarrot Apr 2014 #236

What if I still agree, I guess then it has validity? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #306

you should complete your first enlistment... actslikeacarrot Apr 2014 #749

So..if I still agree with this once I've done a few years, will you take me seriously then? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #800

No AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #876

Then why even give that criteria? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #882

My posts point out you were wrong AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #943

You're not proving your point, and you seem to just be trying to antagonize me AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #953

Says the person AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #963

Reading through this thread, there are a lot of pretty dumb and hyperbolic responses. DanTex Apr 2014 #241

Thanks for at least giving a level-headed response and considering the idea AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #307

I'm afraid I don't have a completely satisfactory answer, but I'll give it a shot. DanTex Apr 2014 #352

Thanks for your input AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #365

Mandatory service = slavery Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #244

Other than religion AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #651

No. This country's problem is that it doesn't do enough for its citizens, not vice-versa. JVS Apr 2014 #248

I think it goes both ways AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #308

We have massive underemployment, unemployment, and low wage problems. JVS Apr 2014 #348

How so? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #358

Wages are already experiencing downward pressure BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #410

Actually, I'd do what Germany did and Austria does AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #415

Don't care what the sector is BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #418

Not free labor, conscripted but paid labor. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #423

care to address the significant differences BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #426

Conscripted labor there isn't unionized AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #435

uhh? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #439

So just have those protections AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #445

Oh my god you are naive BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #447

Thanks for the insult, but.. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #456

Liz BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #587

But I'm not suggesting to wave my magic wand and change everything AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #605

Yes, you did actually BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #632

I was clearly commenting on my hypothetical scenario which I even admitted in that post won't happen AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #636

I agree oldandhappy Apr 2014 #251

Sorry. You can't have my daughters. I'll fight back. (nt) stone space Apr 2014 #255

Your daughters oldandhappy Apr 2014 #346

Agreed. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #692

Wouldn't paying a living wage and providing decient working conditions be just as effective... stone space Apr 2014 #807

Meanwhile two experienced teachers will no longer be able to do a job they love wickerwoman May 2014 #1033

What kind of set up would you want to see enacted? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #309

Something fair and with choices oldandhappy Apr 2014 #345

Well we're on the same wave length AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #357

Shouldn't you repeal the 13th Amendment first? (nt) stone space Apr 2014 #252

Why? Conscription is not forbidden by the 13th Amendment AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #310

You have to come from a place of relative privilege noamnety Apr 2014 #253

I'm not from "relative privilege", actually from a lower middle-class upbringing AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #311

You're still coming from privilege here noamnety Apr 2014 #322

I think the government should have mandatory service requirements to the citizens Taitertots Apr 2014 #254

How do you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #312

I generally believe that those who advocate for drafts should be drafted. Xithras Apr 2014 #260

Okay, whats my assignment? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #313

Tie it to education Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #261

That would work :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #314

I'm not sure I like the idea of mandatory military service davidpdx Apr 2014 #270

Well I'd do both genders AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #315

I think they already have something like that! RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #274

Wow, such hyperbole. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #316

Yeah? No abelenkpe Apr 2014 #277

They do in societies that do this. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #317

You're right, they do abelenkpe Apr 2014 #342

You're probably right AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #355

maybe if we weren't hell bent on getting in wars 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #280

+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #282

The draft is a war killer as Thom Hartmann said. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #318

Thom Hartmann is wrong about a lot of things. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #385

"Thom Hartmann is wrong about a lot of things." Maybe, but he's right about this. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #390

Says you. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #392

Says me and a lot of others. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #396

50,000+ dead americans say "WTF?" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #591

What, no variety in that population's voice? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #606

the dead speak as one: no draft no fucking way. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #620

Where can I consult the dead on this manner? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #622

I would suggest a trip to the Washington Mall, followed by one to Arlington Cemetary. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #623

Okay, so all would agree with you? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #627

Nearly one-third of the 58,286 names on the Wall were draftees pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #634

Since they're dead, I don't think we can know their personal opinions on the matter both then AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #637

I can't support this as you have proposed...... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #281

Being that the Constitution doesn't ban conscription, it's a bad argument. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #319

You need to read this by unhappycamper JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #284

Thanks for this, but conscription is a war killer, not a war feeder. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #320

I don't know JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #470

The irony is ultra-conservatives and neocons oppose conscription AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #473

Hi Liz, me again. pangaia Apr 2014 #561

I think the hindsight of history gives us all the ability to see mistakes when they were made AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #566

Jeeze ...not this shit again. L0oniX Apr 2014 #285

... TBF Apr 2014 #290

Yea, I fell for it.... pangaia Apr 2014 #580

I vehemently disagree. SamKnause Apr 2014 #288

Why? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #321

I have to give you credit - TBF Apr 2014 #289

You are talking about a dysfunctional society marions ghost Apr 2014 #299

It may be a lot of things - TBF Apr 2014 #303

Military service should always be a choice marions ghost Apr 2014 #344

The OP focused on military - TBF Apr 2014 #347

If you give young people marions ghost Apr 2014 #349

Mandatory service is nothing more than government-approved slavery. chrisa Apr 2014 #291

So countries with such a set-up are practicing slavery? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #323

Do they have ther population we do? No. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #584

Yes, countries with conscription are backwards. chrisa Apr 2014 #669

Well okay, today I learned slavery is still allowed in some western countries AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #671

You don't see the difference between chrisa Apr 2014 #672

How is making people do community service of some sort not slavery? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #673

I should clarify, I'm against any type of forced service. chrisa Apr 2014 #674

You contradict yourself AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #675

One is done as a graduation requirement, the other at gunpoint. chrisa Apr 2014 #676

By that logic, high school is done "at gun point" AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #677

Not A Good Idea jobendorfer Apr 2014 #324

service... handmade34 Apr 2014 #343

Heh, Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2014 #350

This is easy, put those who the military doesnt need into civil work, as I said. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #360

+1000! People have enough trouble trying to survive without fitting snappyturtle Apr 2014 #521

"... with a middle eastern terror network that is just about half the size of the Crips. " pangaia Apr 2014 #578

You are 19 ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #351

How do you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #359

Yeah, well, Heidi Apr 2014 #356

Peace Corps n/t Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #364

Would be a nice option AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #368

The education system could be reststructured to include these two years and Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #378

Yeah, this is a good idea. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #388

I think the school year needs to be restructured. I think our summer break is too long. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #397

Summer breaks are too long? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #405

I think they would be happy to be off from Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #460

Hey, we're in agreement :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #462

You typically need a useful skill to join the Peace Corps, and there's a reason for that Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #386

by the senior year our children should have acquired a skill or some knowledge that would Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #401

We're in total agreement here AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #464

That may be true but that has nothing to do with the Peace Corps Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #592

The Peace Corps is not the only option available. Of course, if they don't meet the requirements Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #594

Sounds like a cool idea AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #691

Some sixteen states require community service for graduation. We had it in Chicago. It's called ancianita Apr 2014 #369

Exactly! Just extend that logic AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #375

Most of our students could get their hours in within one year, positive experiences for most. ancianita Apr 2014 #379

Perhaps, there's a lot of different ideas I think that could work, even if they'll never happen. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #389

My point is that, in high schools throughout the country, your ideas already are happening. ancianita Apr 2014 #398

Not exactly. I had to do community service, but it wasn't long and it wasn't all that much AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #402

I see. Okay. Well, Americorps is pretty national, I'd say. Also, CNCS. Here's info. ancianita Apr 2014 #483

Yeah those are certainly places to start AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #492

I rather like the idea libodem Apr 2014 #400

Thanks for your input AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #407

Who cares if Israel does ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #441

That would work real well in Nebraska. You know, what with buses and trains and whatnot. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #530

Welp... logistics might be a problem there for anything? ancianita Apr 2014 #540

This message was self-deleted by its author ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #381

I agree there should be some mandatory service... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #395

Perhaps it shouldn't be the default, I was just thinking of one model. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #399

I agree. A national service BainsBane Apr 2014 #421

Exactly what I've been saying AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #432

Not sure about how to structure it BainsBane Apr 2014 #450

Interesting idea AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #461

Not sure BainsBane Apr 2014 #463

I think just cutting off some services and rights would be in store for those who dodge AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #467

What this town needs is an enema! Rex Apr 2014 #449

Thanks, pangaia Apr 2014 #581

Oh man, this thread gave me a popcorn tummy-ache. U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #453

I would support this if ... LoveIsNow Apr 2014 #479

I think we agree AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #480

Yeah, boot camp. LoveIsNow Apr 2014 #560

What if someone says they don't want to do boot camp AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #562

You're taking two years out of the safest 8 years for childbearing Warpy Apr 2014 #503

that's one way of looking at it AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #505

First, let's see if we can get Congress to put in a solid six month's work every year. merrily Apr 2014 #513

Yeah, that should be a higher priority :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #514

The poor thank you. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #528

For what? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #533

SARCASM. Like they can just give up two years of measly minimum wage? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #579

I'll tell you, there are some folks I work with that would benefit. Glassunion Apr 2014 #534

Who exactly are you referring to? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #538

A handful of coworkers. Glassunion Apr 2014 #547

Lazy people and such? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #549

Not sure what your getting at. P.S. Welcome to DU! Glassunion Apr 2014 #550

Not sure what you're getting at either :P And thanks for the welcome AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #554

I'm simply stating... Glassunion Apr 2014 #557

Heh, good point :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #563

They don't iron anything, anymore. It ain't yer daddy's military. MADem Apr 2014 #551

Neat! I gotta get some of those. Glassunion Apr 2014 #555

If you're ex-military just swing by the uniform shop; they've got 'em by the hundreds. nt MADem Apr 2014 #558

Nope. Not ex-military. Glassunion Apr 2014 #565

Uniform items are made in our good ole USA. MADem Apr 2014 #569

There have been misses. But mostly home runs. Glassunion Apr 2014 #574

Only for those that start wars lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #577

This would be good for the children of the rich. JEFF9K Apr 2014 #585

Why the rich in particular? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #597

Your last paragraph is how all of the proposals have been structured for the last several years Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #589

What's your point? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #598

Mandatory service contingent on participation in military training Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #601

Why? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #604

Do you really want to discriminate against all the people who cannot participate Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #661

I don't see how it's "discrimination" its just expectation of service and duty AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #664

I am responding directly to exactly what you wrote. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #678

Define "discrimination" in this case? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #679

This country has long recognized conscientious objection to war Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #688

I mean this AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #689

You are the one who tied your proposal for civil service to military training. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #709

Btw, couldn't these people just do civil service? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #690

If you read through the subthread - Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #707

Oh this is easy AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #708

Nope. Non-starter. Period. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #710

Being that very few are true CO's (normally just religious folks who object to all armies) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #713

Tell that to the young men Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #721

The military registry (Selective Service) has a valid purpose, and it should be enforced AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #727

and limit deferments to four Demonaut Apr 2014 #615

What do you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #617

the dick Cheney had 5 for Vietnam...it was sarcasm Demonaut Apr 2014 #624

I laughed pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #626

Hmm? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #628

As a condition of voting, perhaps Android3.14 Apr 2014 #629

How do you figure? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #630

That reminds me of a story... I read, and was made into a lousy movie nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #641

Doesn't that story revolve around required service for citizens of Earth? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #680

Yes, but the background is that the military was treated so bad nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #682

Okay, not such a bright future that author thought up... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #685

Heinlein, like Rand, SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #706

And he is very entertaining. But unlike Rand nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #717

If Wikipedia is to be trusted, I say he had some good ideas AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #977

Not military. But I like the idea. And your job depends upon your parents income--in reverse. McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #646

Cool idea! AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #649

In your original profile you said you would be joining the military soon Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #656

I think she also said she was 19 - TBF Apr 2014 #687

Google is useful. *link inside* LeftyMom Apr 2014 #699

There it is - TBF Apr 2014 #723

I mostly agree, but disagree with military being the "default". MH1 Apr 2014 #659

You're probably right in the end, and I feel I didn't really express myself well enough in my OP AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #665

No. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #662

Do you have a tradition of military service in your family, AscertainLiz? cemaphonic Apr 2014 #663

Yes indeed I do have a military tradition, my dad served in the Army for starters AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #666

That is why when I speak of national service nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #683

Yeah I'm starting with agree with you here AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #686

Supposedly you're 19. Need directions to a recruiter's office? Or is service for Other People? LeftyMom Apr 2014 #698

Did ten years, hubby retired from the Navy after 21 years nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #702

Thank you so much for this. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #705

The fact that a supposed adult is resorting to such childish insults and trolling AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #704

So we're not going to get to see your enlistment photo? LeftyMom Apr 2014 #711

I'm not doing what? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #712

You're 19. Why do you keep saying you're going to join and why haven't you done it? LeftyMom Apr 2014 #714

I really want to know how you know such intimate details of my life AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #715

Do you even know the procedure for enlistment nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #718

Everyone I know who wanted to sign up did so at 17. Little Liz must have the laziest recruiter ever. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #719

And I know people who joined at 25 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #720

I'm not even sure what I said that offended her so badly? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #724

National service nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #725

But disagree with it all you want, but why is it the most evil thing to suggest to some here? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #728

Actually I didn't go immediately into it after HS because I was considering my options AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #733

Well I for one am glad TBF Apr 2014 #734

Kids are far more active in social media nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #744

This is not facebook - and my nieces wouldn't TBF Apr 2014 #751

It is social media nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #752

Nadin, you needn't insult me - TBF Apr 2014 #768

See here is where we disagree nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #770

Nope - TBF Apr 2014 #771

My lord, whatever nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #775

of course you see "classic bully behavior" Kali Apr 2014 #789

You will join as soon as you "everything I want to do beforehand is done"? uppityperson Apr 2014 #736

Bet it's a lengthy bucket list! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #754

Fuck that bullshit. That is nothing more then slavery. bowens43 Apr 2014 #726

Do you think the same about taxation, compulsory education and the like? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #730

I wish adults could leave the nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #731

Yeah, I'm surprised at the vitriolic response I've gotten AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #794

I wonder whose kids end up on the ground in Afghanistan and whose are in the Nebraska Coast guard. hughee99 Apr 2014 #745

I'd rather just everyone serve in the Guard, and leave the Army/Marines etc voluntary AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #792

your premise on the result of mandatory conscription (read legalized slavery) is deeply flawed 2banon Apr 2014 #748

It is a policy that on principle I support nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #755

The oligarchy would LOVE to institute a draft for wars for their profits. 2banon Apr 2014 #757

On the contrary nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #758

It is cheaper for the military to hire contractors to do certain jobs, such as chow halls which are. actslikeacarrot Apr 2014 #760

The current setup of the military is very much nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #761

I think a draft for National Service would have been appropriate after 9/11 AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #804

Don't presume you know my life, you don't. 2banon Apr 2014 #762

And it is vietnam why you will *NOT see a draft of a military type,* or any other type. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #763

I'm not ignoring. I'm insisting that national service is a SEPARATE policy. 2banon Apr 2014 #764

Suffice it to say 911 was the moment. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #766

For me the msg was: any pretext will do to invade another country based on bullshit lies. n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #767

That was later nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #769

uh no i disagree. Bush was beating war drums against the axis of evil before 9/11. I knew on 9/11 2banon Apr 2014 #772

So there was a draft and nobody got drafted? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #773

huh? I didn't say that. I think you need to get some rest.. I'm done here. 2banon Apr 2014 #776

No I do not need rest nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #778

Somehow they always get their war - TBF Apr 2014 #774

Yeah they got their war nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #777

I truly have no idea what TBF Apr 2014 #779

Protégée, that is a new one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #780

I get what you're saying - TBF Apr 2014 #784

I don't give a hoot about spellonkers. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #788

It's insanity, in my view. someone up thread actually said the Vietnam war was a good war. 2banon Apr 2014 #781

It was not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #782

I admit at first I only considered the military AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #795

I'm not convinced just because people disagree AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #793

I've been around a long long time.. I've thought these matters all my adult life. 2banon Apr 2014 #799

Service is not slavery, stop belittling history and those who suffer in slavery today by comparing AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #802

I'm trying to remember the last time Finland and Norway invaded other countries in the past century. 2banon Apr 2014 #803

So conscription is only slavery if one goes to war? I don't see how that makes any sense AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #805

Jury results Major Nikon Apr 2014 #809

Thanks, though I didn't mean to anger or piss anyone off AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #811

Really? Can you explain this post: Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #815

A Draft? agbdf Apr 2014 #753

Some of your questions are answered in the links in my OP AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #791

I agree with this idea with some modifications - wundermaus Apr 2014 #756

A funny idea AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #790

What's the bootcamp for? stone space Apr 2014 #808

I think everyone should be trained in civil defense and you need to be able to take orders and AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #816

Well, you've deleted all of your OPs TBF Apr 2014 #814

Interesting. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #818

Just saw that. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #820

I wonder if she can be convinced to delete this one also? Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #821

If only ..... nt TBF Apr 2014 #822

Not from her journal. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #941

I think your wrong and an interesting challenge. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #819

Why am I wrong? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #824

I do not think people should serve in the military unless they want to. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #825

You haven't said why though AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #827

I don't think people should be forced to take up arms. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #828

But that's why you disagree, not why I'm "wrong" AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #832

My views are why you are wrong. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #833

No, you're telling me why you disagree with me, not why I'm wrong. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #836

I made my points on why you are wrong. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #837

Nope, you said why you disagree personally, not why I'm objectively wrong. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #838

You can keep if you like but you just don't like my argument. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #840

You don't have an argument though, you just said you don't like it. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #842

Keep posting if you want but I gave you my thoughts. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #843

Oh well :/ AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #844

Why would a "CO" require boot camp? Live and Learn Apr 2014 #831

I think everyone should have to be trained for some level of civil defense AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #834

Easy to leave the country? Live and Learn Apr 2014 #890

I'd personally think it would be easy to make it easier for those who've fled to renounce their AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #900

I think we should bring back part of the New Deal by having able bodied people on welfare do say 10 craigmatic Apr 2014 #839

I hope you're not just being sarcastic AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #841

No I'm completely serious. FDR did not give out checks without work to get them. craigmatic Apr 2014 #845

Yeah, we're in agreement then AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #847

Yes it can all it takes is a new law and maybe an executive order. This should not be controversial. craigmatic Apr 2014 #849

I don't know, I see entitled Americans having a collective fit about it... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #851

Or we could make this a nation more worth defending... Orsino Apr 2014 #846

The problem is a professional all volunteer military like that breeds a huge amount of problems AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #848

You may be too young to remember the draft and its problems... Orsino Apr 2014 #854

I'm 19, but I'm well aware of the problems the draft had AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #855

A draft in which upper economic brackets were better represented... Orsino Apr 2014 #863

Actually, I'd want equal representation. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #864

This is circular, I'm afraid. Orsino Apr 2014 #868

I think a draft is a war killer as I said before AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #870

Not everyone that can serves in Switzerland. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #886

So? What's your point? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #897

I will not draft others into service... Orsino Apr 2014 #889

I think a draft would put the brakes on the war machine AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #898

A society not run by the war pigs... Orsino Apr 2014 #1013

I don't think it's the only thing to do AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1015

Making the draft "fair" is like making TBF Apr 2014 #891

Thread is epic... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #850

Yup. TBF Apr 2014 #892

If it is to go off and fight someone elses wars - NO FUCKING WAY! liberal N proud Apr 2014 #852

Just curious, what do you mean by "someone else's wars"? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #853

It is wrong to be sending our kids off to fight in wars that some oligarch cooked up liberal N proud Apr 2014 #859

What about wars of necessity? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #861

It's an excellent idea that we all make our country better. "Don't ask what your country can do for Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #857

Exactly. Unfortunately Americans nowadays would bemoan and fight against it AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #858

Bad attitudes and selfishness abound nowadays. Must be excessive watching of reality BS TV shows Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #860

Lol, that could be it :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #862

Party of Choice??? onpatrol98 Apr 2014 #880

It would be strange if I were advocating people having to be in National Service for the rest of AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #881

Did you just read "Starship Troopers"? Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #884

No, but I did see the movie with my boyfriend a couple weeks ago AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #893

Not just no, LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #885

As opposed to "voluntary conscription"? I don't follow AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #894

Voluntary conscription LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #916

Oh? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #919

It is stripping them of their autonomy and possibly their life against their will LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #945

Is mandatory education "stripping them of their autonomy and possibly their life against their will AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #957

Children are not adults LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #961

18 year olds are always mature adults? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #968

Are all 18 year olds mature? No they are not. LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #986

Well yes some old folks aren't mature AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #993

Mandatory service is a good idea fadedrose Apr 2014 #920

Why do you think it's a good idea? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #921

Because it was a way for young people to leave home fadedrose Apr 2014 #922

Interesting perspective, didn't expect to read this here on DU AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #923

If we are going to have a "standing army" no reason we shouldn't have mandatory service to fill it. Agony Apr 2014 #924

Which would you do if you were in power? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #925

Given the state that our "advanced" civilization is in there is no chance Agony Apr 2014 #926

Then what would you do exactly? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #927

eliminate poverty so there isn't anyone interested in "volunteering" to "serve" to fight their wars. Agony Apr 2014 #928

How would you eliminate poverty? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #929

There would be plenty of volunteers for the Smaller Military AndyTiedye May 2014 #1041

How do you figure? AcertainLiz May 2014 #1048

Totally agree fadedrose Apr 2014 #936

Out of curosity, what would you do about it if you had the power to change things? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #939

What the fresh hell is this nonsense? Jasana Apr 2014 #930

This argument could be used against everything from taxes to education AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #931

Hello! This is MY physical body you're talking about... Jasana Apr 2014 #933

Again, your argument could be used against education, jury duty, taxation, etc. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #938

You just don't understand the word no do you? Jasana Apr 2014 #940

So we shoudn't force people to do anything? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #942

We are two very different people and we think very differently. Jasana Apr 2014 #947

I think you're saying exemptions to the rule should invalidate the true AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #960

If you are saying all Americans should be required... Jasana May 2014 #1029

I still don't understand how you can agree with other mandatory AcertainLiz May 2014 #1044

Great answer! Jamastiene Apr 2014 #959

Not really, as it's a very selective argument... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #976

Wow! Talk about the thread that don't end. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #932

Is that good or bad? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #937

LMAO AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #944

Forget it, she's rolling pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #948

So, Acertainliz AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #946

I believe you are on to something maddezmom Apr 2014 #951

I thought you said you were done with the thread nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #978

I thought you were ignoring me AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #981

You need to carefully read what I told you nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #985

Sorry I am kind of done with you AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #987

Have a good day putting me on ignore nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #988

Just skimmed thru this gigantic thread maddezmom Apr 2014 #949

I know one thing. This is not a 19 year old OKNancy Apr 2014 #950

What? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #954

Yep. You know.... AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #984

Well, you see how popular the draft was. Jamastiene Apr 2014 #952

The draft is a war killer AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #955

Did you say you were from a red state? octoberlib Apr 2014 #956

Hmm? No, I'm from California, why do you ask? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #958

I agree, but more importantly, I just want to see this thread break 1000 posts. A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #982

So K and fuckin' arrrrrrrrrr. A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #983

You agree? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #990

OK, Let's take stock, shall we? (Edited) A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #995

I will help get to a thou nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #996

Lol, thanks :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1011

998! n/t A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #998

999! n/t A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #999

1000!!!!!! AHHHHH HA HAHAHAHAHAHAH1111 ELEBENS!!!!! A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #1000

Why is it a good idea? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1005

I don't know you from Adam but zappaman Apr 2014 #991

ROFL - good one OKNancy Apr 2014 #1003

you R funny! cyberswede Apr 2014 #1026

What this thread needs is an enema! Rex Apr 2014 #992

Before that could even be considered the USA needs to have a mandatory service requirement from its R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 #1001

That sounds like an interesting idea AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1007

At gunpoint. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 #1018

LOL okay we can agree on that. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #1021

Your flag ain't my flag, ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #1028

We don't both have the American flag? :/ AcertainLiz May 2014 #1049

A flag is two things. ZombieHorde May 2014 #1053

So you care nothing for America? Alright AcertainLiz May 2014 #1055

I care about people regardless of they live on this planet. ZombieHorde May 2014 #1057

You de facto called me a right winger by accusing what I suggest as being "right wing" AcertainLiz May 2014 #1059

I disagree. wickerwoman May 2014 #1030

It does already though? AcertainLiz May 2014 #1050

Does DU have a mandatory posting requirement for this thread? NuclearDem May 2014 #1036

There's always some idiot who will kick it back to the top *evilgrin* pinboy3niner May 2014 #1037

Ouch, I had that one coming. NuclearDem May 2014 #1038

You and me both, lol! nt pinboy3niner May 2014 #1039

It's certainly on the way to competing with kentauros May 2014 #1040

As long as service didn't include only military service or boot camps... glowing May 2014 #1052

Yeah we pretty much agree then AcertainLiz May 2014 #1054

It's a really good way to broaden one's experience, for the most part. glowing May 2014 #1056

Wow, we are on the same wave length then AcertainLiz May 2014 #1062

Parks Service MerryBlooms May 2014 #1060

So you'd have mandatory civil service? AcertainLiz May 2014 #1063