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tcaudilllg

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71. The only way is to force the system to justify itself.

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:39 PM

Mar 2012

We do that by harnessing that anger and suspicious towards alternatives to the existing establishment. Not quite Libya... we have more unity than that, but....

We must apply capitalistic principles directly to the state. Not inside the state, but to create alternative STATES.

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If ACA is struck down, are you really so naive as to think single-payer will come to the rescue? [View all] backscatter712 Mar 2012 OP

You are absolutely right, and it will most likely give repukes control to limit heath care for even still_one Mar 2012 #1

Will you commit to demonstrating for Single Payer/ Medicare 4all??? kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #2

Sure, but it won't matter, the "new" repugs will run the show if ACA goes down, and they won't care still_one Mar 2012 #5

There are..... daleanime Mar 2012 #40

I've never seen any of those polls. How about a link? bornskeptic Mar 2012 #89

Google "Medicare for all Poll".... daleanime Mar 2012 #95

Sure, but there will be enough Sarah Palins howling about death panels... backscatter712 Mar 2012 #8

Well you just let Sarah Palin decide what you're going to do, then kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #10

It's just not that way. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #77

What are you talking about, Sarah Palins? I've seen people on the LEFT do it. joshcryer Mar 2012 #24

Single payer is not going to pass Congress. TheWraith Mar 2012 #16

That will be so helpful, since the media are so great at covering progressive demonstrations. nt pnwmom Mar 2012 #88

+1,000. Sorry to say that I agree. If ACA stays, I predict it will become Medicare4All. freshwest Mar 2012 #3

i expect if it's shot down, universal healthcare will be toxic for years...never happen spanone Mar 2012 #4

I am sorry to say I agree with you /nt still_one Mar 2012 #6

Years? Try DECADES!! BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #25

A prof. from MIT said on Tweety just now that it would be 17 years before it would be addressed CTyankee Mar 2012 #30

I listened to the audio CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #31

The name of the professor from MIT was Professor Gruber. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #63

If anything changes, it'll be down to demographics and obesity rates. CBHagman Mar 2012 #64

No way. Radical solution is only forseeable way. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #69

+1. Spot on. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #35

If the mandate is a no go abelenkpe Mar 2012 #7

Exactly Taverner Mar 2012 #9

Maybe this is something "Centrist" Dems should have thought about.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #11

+1 xchrom Mar 2012 #14

+1,000,000,000 vi5 Mar 2012 #15

Why would ProSense Mar 2012 #19

Except that "centrist" Democrats were beholden to the health-care industry... regnaD kciN Mar 2012 #20

Wow, so, you actually agree with the OP? joshcryer Mar 2012 #23

Agreed, the problem was.... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #26

It did not require 60 votes. eomer Mar 2012 #32

Amazing that rudycantfail Mar 2012 #36

+1 (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #50

Yes it did. Ezra Klein covered it extensively. joshcryer Mar 2012 #45

Maybe you'll believe Ezra Klein, then, when he says it didn't? eomer Mar 2012 #53

Don't move the goalposts. PPACA passed 60-39. HCERA was only possible with PPACA. joshcryer Mar 2012 #55

As I said in the first place: eomer Mar 2012 #56

Ahh, yes, OK, I see what you're saying. I don't think they could have. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57

They could easily have gotten a ruling from the parliamentarian; they chose not to try. eomer Mar 2012 #59

If so then that's another case of them not having a spine. joshcryer Mar 2012 #62

How did Bush get his evil agenda passed with only 51 votes? n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2012 #83

Because the 60-vote rule is recent jmowreader Mar 2012 #96

Sorry, that's not right kudzu22 Mar 2012 #99

Also, the president failed to get behind it Doctor_J Mar 2012 #85

questioning? we were screaming! we knew what would happen. CTyankee Mar 2012 #49

Thank you very much... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #52

I so naive as to agree with the candidate who said of mandates Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #12

We'll get it if we want it, but most people don't want it. Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #13

Polls Find That Two-thirds of Americans Want Single Payer MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #44

Yes, but they don't want to pay for it Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #58

No Americans really and truly are NOT ignorant of how much it costs to have truedelphi Mar 2012 #93

I figured that out on DU Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #94

You and others are making the point that truedelphi Mar 2012 #97

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #17

the republicans aren't the only ones. Remember the Democrats kept single payer robinlynne Mar 2012 #18

I look at it this way tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #70

Yep, that was it exactly. And don't forget - the room itself was down truedelphi Mar 2012 #91

I thought ACA was supposed to be the "stepping stone" to single-payer. Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #21

Exactly. That is why if it is killed, it kills single-payer by proxy. nt stevenleser Mar 2012 #28

I think you are correct. This is why it is such high stakes. If everybody thinks they can just go CTyankee Mar 2012 #48

Yep, said this in another thread. Totally asinine. joshcryer Mar 2012 #22

Don't underestimate the power of the people today. Cleita Mar 2012 #27

If Anthony Kennedy plays the idiot, we should rachet up the OWS "volume". tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #76

You are correct quaker bill Mar 2012 #29

Actually, Yes, I do Expect Single Payer to be the End Result Demeter Mar 2012 #33

That is also why they are against birth control lefthandedlefty Mar 2012 #34

Not really nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #66

No way in hell. budkin Mar 2012 #37

It'll take a revolution to change a light bulb, the way things are going. SolutionisSolidarity Mar 2012 #38

yep--and every time we've tried (avg 17 years) the mix is more & more conservative librechik Mar 2012 #39

Need a revolution already.... daleanime Mar 2012 #41

Nope, we won't see federal single-payer if this falls Spike89 Mar 2012 #42

I favor a regional plan. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #65

Constitutionally "iffy" because of the commerce clause for one thing Spike89 Mar 2012 #73

That won't work either. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #75

No, I'm not that naive Jack Rabbit Mar 2012 #43

Yes. I am that naive. mistertrickster Mar 2012 #46

Agree me too and I hope if/when it's rejected Raine Mar 2012 #54

Gov Howard Dean on mandates: golfguru Mar 2012 #47

Hell yeah. I was also told I was naive to vote for an inexperienced black senator from Illinois.nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #51

Many are. Despite centuries where health care wnet unreformed. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #60

You must believe the healthcare problem would go away by itself kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #61

I predict if ACA is struck down that it will outrage people so much that in November elections, the Pachamama Mar 2012 #67

The only way is to force the system to justify itself. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #71

Im a stay at home mom in an upper class area....I am far from "Radical" and I can see that this may Pachamama Mar 2012 #72

Way too much Kool-Aid being served at your place Doctor_J Mar 2012 #82

Polls don't indicate that treestar Mar 2012 #84

Right: ACA has two opponents. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #86

Exactly how they want it, too. joshcryer Mar 2012 #92

I agree. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #68

Are you so naive... FreeJoe Mar 2012 #74

it won't 'come to the rescue', it will need to be worked for and demanded. KG Mar 2012 #78

There are two prongs to the GOP pie tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #79

Return of the Dark Ages Loge23 Mar 2012 #80

Yes, this 9-D chess argument is getting wearisome Doctor_J Mar 2012 #81

We'd better make this a summer to remember. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #87

Of course single-payer will be enacted! MNBrewer Mar 2012 #90

rec'd for most condescending thread title on the front page tralala Mar 2012 #98