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ConservativeDemocrat

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83. I'm not sure why ...
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:56 PM
Apr 2014

...you think there are more swimming pools in the U.S. than there are guns. This is untrue. There are considerably more guns in the US than citizens. You can't say remotely the same thing about swimming pools. And if you have one, the chance of a child dying due to it is massively higher than if you happen to have a firearm around. Period. Further, you can exercise reasonable precautions around a pool, and yet still have a child die in one. But even the slightest degree of non-idiocy regarding firearms renders them utterly harmless.

I certainly see why you are choosing "guns taken to the firing range" as your divisor for making an argument about gauging safety. If you don't, your argument falls apart. However going by that logic, we can make guns far more safe, simply by trucking millions of Americans down to a firing range and showing them around. It wouldn't change overall deaths, but it would make the deaths per firing range visit lower. (Let me also explain something else. Ranchers rarely drive to a firing range for fun. Shooting prairie dogs, to keep them from digging holes that cattle can break their legs in, is work; better work than many things you have to do on a ranch, but still work.)

The screaming about guns really comes from two things: 1] those few gun deaths from massacres we has are ripe for media exploitation, which naturally gives people a complete misunderstanding of risks in their day-to-day lives. And 2] It is yet another issue to let urban culturally-liberal Americans feel sanctimonious and superior over their rural brethren.

No news is ever run about the many hundreds of yearly deaths due to unbuckled children, but you can be absolutely assured that if they did, there would be a new "massacre" reported every month. We'd save far more children's lives than outlawing guns, by imposing a mandate of making every single car have to have a car seat built in, whether the buyer had kids or not. But that's not something that makes anyone feel smug about pushing, now is it?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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I agree. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #1
........ daleanime Apr 2014 #8
Your opinion differs than mine. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #10
Yes, just registering my.... daleanime Apr 2014 #12
Unlikely to be true for almost everybody . . . MrModerate Apr 2014 #22
Owning a gun INCREASES your chances of suffering death and injury from guns intaglio Apr 2014 #28
"And you have been told this numerous times. " darkangel218 Apr 2014 #39
But your opinion is worthless in the face of the evidence intaglio Apr 2014 #59
Your opinion does not change the fact that a gun is more likely to kill you than to save your life Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #61
Its not everything black and white as you think. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #63
I did not mention bans, but we do need gun control to keep guns out of the hands of gun nuts. Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #67
Im not going to go in details but darkangel218 Apr 2014 #70
We all can make up anything. merrily Apr 2014 #62
And thats valid for all opinions. Isnt it darkangel218 Apr 2014 #64
No. Some opinions are more meaningful than others. merrily Apr 2014 #65
Opinions are subjective. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #66
Some more than others, as my prior post suggests. merrily Apr 2014 #69
Im a rape survivor. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #71
I am very sorry about your experience, but merrily Apr 2014 #73
This is what you said: darkangel218 Apr 2014 #75
No, YOU said you could make up your own opinions and that was the merrily Apr 2014 #78
Exactly. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #79
Duplicate post. merrily Apr 2014 #81
No. merrily Apr 2014 #82
Your pretty classy Lonusca Apr 2014 #84
You are the one who is spinning. merrily Apr 2014 #86
That doesn't disprove what she said. Owning a gun could save your life LittleBlue Apr 2014 #77
But it is far more likely cause risk to your life intaglio Apr 2014 #91
I remember, vividly, the day my husband locked his weapons. He sat on the bed with tears in his Tikki Apr 2014 #2
AMEN. flamin lib Apr 2014 #3
200,000? Wow. ErikJ Apr 2014 #17
Please don't use that style of lock NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #4
Indeed... Trigger Locks are quite unsafe. Glassunion Apr 2014 #5
I have actually proved that on a range NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #7
+1 darkangel218 Apr 2014 #15
This is the first time I've ever seen that kind of lock. JoeyT Apr 2014 #25
You're Welcome! NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #45
Free with my guns Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #54
Most new guns are sold with them. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #56
With the exeption of the one on my side, all of mine ARE locked up. oneshooter Apr 2014 #6
Point well made, WilliamPitt. nt Snotcicles Apr 2014 #9
We're arguing against people who insist they need a 30-round clip jeff47 Apr 2014 #11
In 73 years I have never needed a gun. WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #19
... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #29
I don't even lock the doors to the house when I'm gone. Kaleva Apr 2014 #33
I would not say such a thing on the internet if I were you Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #36
Many here don't lock their homes and that's common knowledge. Kaleva Apr 2014 #38
I am just saying that it is a bad idea to post that info on the internet Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #41
You are correct. Kaleva Apr 2014 #87
Most casual thieves look for easy pickings, jiggling doorknobs tblue37 Apr 2014 #57
Do you need a roommate? n/t chervilant Apr 2014 #55
Every Single Supporter ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #13
If you think guns are safer than cars or swimming pools then you are certainly not reality based Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #32
I'm not sure why ... ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #83
Don're misrepresent what I said and pretend to be reality based Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #85
I'm not misrepresenting you at all... ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #88
Yes you are misrepresenting me Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #93
Really? Yes, it's anecdotal but too bad. We own a swimming pool... no one has died in it. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2014 #50
DU Rec. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #14
Firepower should be legally linked to secure storage. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #16
But FREEDOM MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #18
The vast majority of gun nuts either have no clue about gun safety or just don't give a shit Major Nikon Apr 2014 #20
Is that Reagan doing a driveby... kjones Apr 2014 #24
There is little real use for guns marions ghost Apr 2014 #27
The placebo society. CanSocDem Apr 2014 #46
Right marions ghost Apr 2014 #53
Project Child Safe Lurks Often Apr 2014 #21
Schools are supposed to teach kids important subjects, not gun love. Hoyt Apr 2014 #26
If you insist on owning implements of destruction ... etherealtruth Apr 2014 #23
An obvious truth. 99Forever Apr 2014 #30
The body count of the innocents rising every day is an "obvious truth"? Really? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #31
No gun guy.. 99Forever Apr 2014 #34
Was your claim about rising body counts correct? Yes or no? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #35
Run along now. 99Forever Apr 2014 #37
Was your claim about rising body counts correct? Yes or no? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #40
Body counts are cumulative. thucythucy Apr 2014 #42
Of course they are. 99Forever Apr 2014 #44
That's a fair point...but saying that the body count from guns rises every day is rather pointless, Jgarrick Apr 2014 #47
It's not "pointless" unless you have no interest in preventing future gun-related fatalities. thucythucy Apr 2014 #49
No, it is not at all pointless to note that the body coint rises every single day Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #51
When that bullet riddled body is YOUR child or spouse... 99Forever Apr 2014 #58
Is there some part of ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #43
The gaping crater in the "Crime rates are down, not up" argument. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #52
Well........... ballyhoo Apr 2014 #48
Then why even have the gun? Iggo Apr 2014 #60
Why not? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #68
I know a lot of people that do that. I can't do it. Makes me ballyhoo Apr 2014 #74
Good question...... ballyhoo Apr 2014 #72
Let us know how that works out for you. 99Forever Apr 2014 #76
Why? ballyhoo Apr 2014 #80
What does any of that have to do ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #89
Okay, except... Iggo Apr 2014 #90
If it's the government kicking down the door ballyhoo Apr 2014 #94
Forgive me for asking but what is it? oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #92
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