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In reply to the discussion: Nonconsensual sex: How colleges rebranded rape [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)68. Rape is sexual assault (battery, actually) & it's primarily a power/violence thing.
Nobody who thinks about this confuses rape with a loving sexual act so don't even go there with your accusations. However, rape involves sexual organs and sexual functions including (but not necessarily) erection and ejaculation. To deny that there is a sexual aspect to sexual assault and rape is to deny the obvious.
"Have the courage -- and the courtesy -- to" address the points I made if you want to convince me or anybody of your thesis. For your convenience I will restate them here in essence:
1) Does rape typically involve sex organs such as penis, vagina, anus, breast? Yes or no? Surely the answer is yes. Note the word "typically". That does not mean exclusively. Note that even skin is a sexual organ when touched in a sexual way or with faux caresses.
2) Rape is a violent crime with physical touching of a person such that they fear for their safety of life or limb. Yes or no? Surely the answer is yes. I suppose there might be exceptions and I'd be interested to hear them but I'm sure they would not negate this point in the main.
3) If there is no sexual aspect or sexual organs or sexual touching (or conceivably psychosexual coercion / mind games) to an act of violence then it is battery, not rape. Correct? Yes or no?
We all get that the primary aspect of rape is the violence (physical and psychological). Nothing I've written denies that. So I still don't know where you disagree with me. Addressing the points listed might help clear it up.
And you can try to derail this with focusing on "we" and it may work but it won't convince.
"Have the courage -- and the courtesy -- to" address the points I made if you want to convince me or anybody of your thesis. For your convenience I will restate them here in essence:
1) Does rape typically involve sex organs such as penis, vagina, anus, breast? Yes or no? Surely the answer is yes. Note the word "typically". That does not mean exclusively. Note that even skin is a sexual organ when touched in a sexual way or with faux caresses.
2) Rape is a violent crime with physical touching of a person such that they fear for their safety of life or limb. Yes or no? Surely the answer is yes. I suppose there might be exceptions and I'd be interested to hear them but I'm sure they would not negate this point in the main.
3) If there is no sexual aspect or sexual organs or sexual touching (or conceivably psychosexual coercion / mind games) to an act of violence then it is battery, not rape. Correct? Yes or no?
We all get that the primary aspect of rape is the violence (physical and psychological). Nothing I've written denies that. So I still don't know where you disagree with me. Addressing the points listed might help clear it up.
And you can try to derail this with focusing on "we" and it may work but it won't convince.
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he forced her to have sex. that, we see a lot. no. he raped her. i agree mineral. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#4
Then you have radio shock jocks like Tom Leykis who advocate getting women drunk
R B Garr
Apr 2014
#55
so many men, continuously talk so ugly about women, too often. what would happen in mens world
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#78
bad enough, guilty enough, to kick off campus, yet not use criminal system and send to jail.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#3
It took 25 women showing up in the dean of students' office to get one off our campus.
Gormy Cuss
Apr 2014
#15
Is one of the take-aways of this: Victims should pursue civil and criminal charges with law
KurtNYC
Apr 2014
#10
Thanks for posting this despite some DUers expressing their "exasperation at posts discussing rape."
redqueen
Apr 2014
#23
Good term. Non-consensual sex is broader encompassing more crimes than classic "rape".
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#28
That's opinion. I'm not sure it would be supported by careful studies.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#34
Since schools are working to hide the numbers, the number of rapes is not known...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#39
You miss the boat. Non consensual sex is much more than vaginal or anal penetration.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#38
Educated people (LE included) understand more than just four letter words. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#45
Obtuse? Surely you realize assault is non-consensual & rape does involve sex or attempted sex. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#57
Be smart & explain yourself. If it doesn't involve a sexual aspect, then it's battery, not rape.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#59
Rape is sexual assault (battery, actually) & it's primarily a power/violence thing.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#68
I asked for help but you won't address the points or answer the questions asked of you. So be it. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#72
Making justifications for schools covering up for rapists is not asking for help
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#73
Nothing I wrote was a justification for covering up rapists. NOTHING. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#74
NOTHING. Covering up rape is not justified. You are confusing me with other posters. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#76
The language is good. The coverup is bad, wrong, evil, and is independent of language.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#79
I DO NOT JUSTIFY NOT CALLING RAPE A RAPE. That is the administration's fault, not the language.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#81
Non-sense. You are defending the change when you know why it is being changed...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#84
You don't want enlighten or educate (as asked for). You just want to argue
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#86
The article is clear and I am as well... That you ignore it, is your choice...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#88
I don't defend schools protecting rapists. I've said it before.You can make up stuff all you want.nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#89
The first question is way too simplistic. It easier for you to attack if it is simplistic.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#91
Exactly. It is primarily violence, but there is a sexual aspect even if it is not sexy.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#87
It is quoted because we are discussing definitions and terminology. Only you are scared. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2014
#65
I was listening to the lawyer of tje Heisman trophy talking about false accusations,
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#31