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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald Lashes Back At Critics Who Call Snowden A Russian Propagandist [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)143. We will have to agree to disagree.
Of course, if Snowden knew the answer to before he asked the question, he also knew that Putin was a lying hypocrite--as one secret agent to another, of course.
Putin doesn't even remember his old bullshit! From the history files:
http://jurist.org/paperchase/2006/03/putin-signs-russia-anti-terror-bill.php
JURIST- Russian President Vladimir Putin (official website, English version)Monday signed into law new anti-terrorism legislation giving the Russian police and military broad authority to tap telephone conversations and control electronic communications in the vicinity of counter-terror operations, shoot down hijacked planes threatening public places or strategic facilities, and deal with the aftermath of terrorist attacks. The legislation passed the Russian Duma [JURIST report] almost unanimously late last month and was approved by Russia's upper house, the Federation Council, on March 1. While al Qaeda terrorism is not a major problem in the country, Russia has been shaken by bombings and hostage-takings by supporters of Chechen independence, most recently including the 2004 Beslan siege (JURIST report) in which hundreds of children were killed when authorities stormed a school.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16261701
A prominent Russian opposition figure, Boris Nemtsov, says the Kremlin was behind the publication of private phone calls in which he insulted other opposition activists.
A news website close to the government, Life News, published tapes in which Mr Nemtsov seems to call opposition supporters "hamsters" and "scared penguins".
Mr Nemtsov alleges illegal phone-tapping. He says the publication was part-truth, part-fabrication....
"They are brazenly and unforgivably violating my constitutional right and the right of my interlocutors to private communications and telephone conversations," he said, accusing them of "criminal activities".
A news website close to the government, Life News, published tapes in which Mr Nemtsov seems to call opposition supporters "hamsters" and "scared penguins".
Mr Nemtsov alleges illegal phone-tapping. He says the publication was part-truth, part-fabrication....
"They are brazenly and unforgivably violating my constitutional right and the right of my interlocutors to private communications and telephone conversations," he said, accusing them of "criminal activities".
And then, there's this: http://nypost.com/2013/10/30/russia-used-goof-bag-gadgets-to-bug-g-20-delegates/
Crafty Russian operatives gave goodie bags to world powers at the G-20 summit with USB drives and phone chargers but they were Trojan Horses designed to download info and send it back to the motherland.
The cloak-and-dagger spy game played out at last months conference in St. Petersburg, where Vladimir Putin and President Obama appeared to patch up their feud.
But little did Obama know that Putins henchmen were making sure every delegate at the G-20 walked out with equipment that could compromise state secrets.
The clever Boris-and-Natasha ploy was reported Tuesday by the major Italian newspapers La Stampa and Corriere della Sera as the US remains under fire for NSA spying on world leaders phone calls.
The cloak-and-dagger spy game played out at last months conference in St. Petersburg, where Vladimir Putin and President Obama appeared to patch up their feud.
But little did Obama know that Putins henchmen were making sure every delegate at the G-20 walked out with equipment that could compromise state secrets.
The clever Boris-and-Natasha ploy was reported Tuesday by the major Italian newspapers La Stampa and Corriere della Sera as the US remains under fire for NSA spying on world leaders phone calls.
And Putin, coyly playing the "I don't know nuthin' 'bout surveilling people" game, is blatantly shopping a demonstrated untruth, as we saw quite recently:
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/25/the_sochi_olympics_putins_shiny_new_surveillance_state/
Sochi, in other words, is setting records the old-fashioned way: men with guns on the street. Generally, its the security you cant see facial recognition software, aerial drone surveillance, mobile phone interception, metadata that forms the cutting edge of international event planning. That may be more intrusive than 60,000 armed guards, security checkpoints and sealed-off highways, but it will certainly be less visible.
And last but not least... we KNOW Putin was behind this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26072281
He's just not credible, and Snowden has to know that.
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Greenwald Lashes Back At Critics Who Call Snowden A Russian Propagandist [View all]
Capt. Obvious
Apr 2014
OP
I think this Due Out in March...No...APRIL!!! book is going to be interesting, if he can ever make
MADem
Apr 2014
#61
Looks like you are a small minority. Greenwald has a Pulitzer Prize for his work. He started out as
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#103
Don't know much about him, do you? By 'like the rest of us' I was referring to the fact that he
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#107
The point is his wiki is dishonest. The info is false. Not true. Whopper royale.
ucrdem
Apr 2014
#117
It means that there are a number of people who ridicule and criticize Snowden because Snowden
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#102
I think the question put Putin on the spot. I think Putin lied big time, and everyone in the
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#135
Absolutely. That is why Snowden asked this question. He put Putin on the spot.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#134
He didn't put Putin on the spot. He played slavish dog to Putin's prancing pony, in a propaganda
MADem
Apr 2014
#137
Yes. I too have good news sources, read languages and, when i am able, foreign newspapers.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#142
Putin is a conceited jerk. Snowden is no fool. He knows that. But Snowden is clever.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#144
not even with your 'splaination (of sorts), I still don't understand what the hell GG means.
Whisp
Apr 2014
#82
Critics have harped on Snowden (and Greenwald) for not criticizing Russian surveillance
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#5
Pootie's probably paying Julian's "rent" since the donations to Wikileaks dried up.
MADem
Apr 2014
#98
It sounds like it means "Shit, shit....he's doing stuff that is outside my control, he lied to me,
MADem
Apr 2014
#14
I don't know what the "real hoo hah" is with that guy, but I don't believe his cover story.
MADem
Apr 2014
#97
MADem, did you actually READ the TPM article on Putin/Snowden's tv appearances?
Number23
Apr 2014
#108
I guess the "I'm just a sysadmin who saw stuff I didn't like" schtick won't play anymore.
MADem
Apr 2014
#110
It's greenwald doing his usual deflecting schtick.. hoping no one will notice what a tool
Cha
Apr 2014
#75
Could this be because Greenwald is working for that guy who supported the Ukranians?
MADem
Apr 2014
#11
I think maybe he doesn't have a bunch of stuff and the Russians are trying to get something useful
arely staircase
Apr 2014
#29
Yeah, and Snowden, with this latest stunt, put that prize where the sun don't shine, as well.
MADem
Apr 2014
#30
lol, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...Should we just avert our eyes?
tritsofme
Apr 2014
#39
Snowden and Greenwald make it about them.. nobody does that for them. And, your attempt to
Cha
Apr 2014
#78
a few twists of fate and they'd be saying he was a Hong Konger agent from the get-go
MisterP
Apr 2014
#57
I see snowden/greenwald fans are trying to persuade one and all to move along.. nothing to
Cha
Apr 2014
#85
"newly minted Pulitzer Prize winner," that's rich. Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer.
ucrdem
Apr 2014
#86
According to some on DU, SNOWDEN won the Pulitzer or was at least vindicated by the award
Number23
Apr 2014
#109
No; Greenwald is the author or co-author of most of the pieces cited
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2014
#145
Most Pulitzer prizes are awarded to individuals, and neither Greenwald or Snowden
ucrdem
Apr 2014
#151
Does anyone truthfully think GG wants Snowden to return to the US? Doubt it, if he is back in
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#89
Maybe you have tagged the scene. Don't think GG, Putin or Snowden will get an Oscar for their
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#130
Greenwald to fans: "Are you going to believe me and Snowden or your lying eyes and ears?"
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#136