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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
54. You have history and modern oligarchies on your side
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:53 AM
Apr 2014

Riqster is confusing citizen involvement with voting. Oligarchies are never brought down by voting alone, and I am betting he is not including in the vote the bums out one of the two parties. (Then I would give him points for commitment). But he is not.

The one percent loves this sum of all involvement equals voting, since it means nothing else. He is also approaching it the wrong way. What we need is things like Moral Mondays to go nationwide. Occupy also has led to a lot more of the kind of citizen involvement that the oligarchy fears.

Voting usually is secondary but will come after people do things like get arrested for civil rights.

But to people like riqster the solution is very simple and they point as evidence the voting suppression laws. Those are insurance by local oligarchies who also control, ultimately, who gets on the ballot.

We cover local politics. We know how disengaged the American people are from sausage making. I mean people piss and moan about education and schools, go ahead and ask your neighbors, do you know who is on the school board? Hell, you know where the school board meets?

The same applies for city council.

Yesterday we covered a rep coffee with citizens. She just happens to be mine, but this is an opportunity for people to talk to their Assembly Member in Sacramento, including press, there were twenty people at best.

So when riqster raises this vote will solve all, I laugh. He has no idea what forces are involved. I was cynical before. After occupy and covering local politics far worst. The asshats we cover walk the streets every day, and local interests still make them dance like puppets. Every member of the council knows these special interests have a megaphone is they vote the wrong way. And the little independent media is called the Penny Saver by even people here on DU that should know better.

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What sucks is that the ones we vote for have been bought by the 1%. Autumn Apr 2014 #1
NO the ones WE vote for are NOT owned by the Koch Bros and Big Oil.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #2
Yeah right Autumn Apr 2014 #3
Yeah Right..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #4
Can I vote for you??? Donate to your campaign?? I'm sure you are running Autumn Apr 2014 #5
I am not running....I vote for Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #6
Cool. As soon as I find a medal I will be sure and send it to you. Autumn Apr 2014 #7
I don't need medals or Heroes and or Saints... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #8
Of course you don't. You got all that. Autumn Apr 2014 #9
I don't have any of them.....nor did I expect them... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #10
If they voted for this then they don't get my vote oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #52
That sort of thinking depresses the vote. riqster Apr 2014 #24
I am all powerful! I control the vote with my thoughts Autumn Apr 2014 #25
So, if your words have no impact, why do you post? riqster Apr 2014 #30
Because it's a message board and I have found I like a lot of the posters here Autumn Apr 2014 #31
Vote for those who are willing to take the pledge to support The Amendment: Loudly Apr 2014 #11
Better Idea Join Wolf-Pac to overturn citizen's united: mucifer Apr 2014 #12
^^^THIS^^^ theaocp Apr 2014 #61
It takes you a few hours to vote? Why? Do you live in the 19th century? Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #13
I agree but want to add. They are telling us we are an oligarchy and if that is true then we need to jwirr Apr 2014 #14
HEY, READ WHAT RIGSTER WROTE. JayhawkSD Apr 2014 #15
And when challengers do win the primaries, the party doesn't support them starroute Apr 2014 #18
We get that shit in Ohio. riqster Apr 2014 #38
Who cares who the party supports? JayhawkSD Apr 2014 #46
I have voted in every election in my adult life, have not sat out a single one. Autumn Apr 2014 #27
There are no challengers in your state? JayhawkSD Apr 2014 #44
Voting is very important, but it is not the only way to take back America Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #16
Citizen activism and GOTV are not mutually exclusive. riqster Apr 2014 #39
I never suggested they were mutually exclusive Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #48
Sorry, my error. riqster Apr 2014 #49
I always vote. Every time. 99Forever Apr 2014 #17
Applause. Voting is important. Getting others to the polls is good too. riqster Apr 2014 #40
Okay, so I wasn't talking to you. JayhawkSD Apr 2014 #45
Voting...the difference between peace...and war...an example: Stuart G Apr 2014 #19
The reason the crisis is studied is that Kennedy's reaction was so unusual for both parties. merrily Apr 2014 #28
Highly recd treestar Apr 2014 #20
K&R--That does make sense to people who Progressive dog Apr 2014 #21
The GOP pushing for voter suppression laws Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #22
True. But we still have lots of Americans who preach apathy. riqster Apr 2014 #23
I'm all for voting, but that is not how you take the country back from the 1%. merrily Apr 2014 #26
Well said. Louisiana1976 Apr 2014 #29
That is surrender, to assume thus. riqster Apr 2014 #33
Lemme see some facts nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #55
You are acting as though change is not possible. riqster Apr 2014 #56
Au contraire, change is possible but the booth is not the all encompasing solution nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #57
To assume otherwise is self-delusion. merrily Apr 2014 #58
He's funny. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #32
Over twenty three pages that dance all around that idea but can't seem to get there. Autumn Apr 2014 #34
I like corporate candidate B ...because corporate candidate A sucks more. L0oniX Apr 2014 #35
I wish it was this simple. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #36
Politicians listen to those who can take away their cushy jobs. No riqster Apr 2014 #37
Keep that fantasy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #53
I will continue to advocate for voting/voting rights, no matter how many people like you scoff. riqster Apr 2014 #59
It is part of the toolset nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #62
You assume people will remain the same. riqster Apr 2014 #67
The people are always at a severe disadvantage BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #41
Increasing citizen involvement is always a good thing. riqster Apr 2014 #42
You didn't answer the question BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #43
I disagree with the premise of your question. riqster Apr 2014 #47
Hmm, not sure I am following you there BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #50
You have history and modern oligarchies on your side nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #54
^^^^^ marions ghost Apr 2014 #65
A majoritarian democracy does not necessarily = my agenda being chosen. riqster Apr 2014 #60
Exactly gopiscrap Apr 2014 #51
It never ceases to amaze me that a post advocating voting on DU would have FSogol Apr 2014 #63
It's because the system is fundamentally corrupt RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #64
BS. Voting is the only way to change it. Every other suggestion sounds like rat fucking to me. FSogol Apr 2014 #66
Those who advocate violence as a first resort can kiss my hairy old kazoo. riqster Apr 2014 #68
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