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In reply to the discussion: Thank you, Raul Grijalva: Obama’s Market-Based Policies Endanger Public Education. [View all]madfloridian
(88,117 posts)69. I am going to reply to you point by point.
You said I was ranting here.
"What good is that doing? I wouldn't listen to anything Newt has to say anyway. He's full of hot air, a liar and a cheat. I do believe tenure should not mean teachers can rest on their laurels until they choose to retire. They must adhere to the same protocol as everyone else all the way through. We've ALWAYS had testing. Unfortunately, the teachers are promoting students that should not be promoted."
Agreed about Newt. Perhaps you should tell it to Arne Duncan and President Obama who are putting his policies into play.
Tenure does not mean teachers rest on their laurels. They can be fired for cause. I am not sure what you mean about teachers "must adhere to the same protocol", so I can't address that.
Yes, there has always been standardized testing. BUT..it was always used to evaluate where the student was academically. It was used to make instruction better. Now it is used to hire and fire teachers and take the place of teachers' gradebook, student portfolios, and classroom work.
It is used to fail schools which are then turned into charter schools which usually are owned by private companies.
You said:
"I've met high school grads that can barely spell basic 2nd grade words"
So have I. But if you are only blaming teachers, you are way off base.
You said:
"And like Obama said, "It's not about me...It's about YOU!"
Unfortunately it IS about him now. These are his policies, his goals, his stated plans for public schools. He supports Arne Duncan 100% and seems to have no understanding of the harm being done by these policies.
You said:
By the way...if you're voting Republican, you're helping to put money grubbers in office. What do you expect? We've been trying to tell you....YOU'RE VOTING AGAINST YOUR OWN BEST INTERESTS!
If you ever read any of my posts before, and somehow I don't think you have.....you will know that my late hubby and I were Obama supporters and campaigned for him. Your quote is insulting to me and others who are criticizing his policies and not the man.
You would know I plan to vote Democratic, but that I will not donate as long as such devastating policies are in place.
Any public school teacher who votes Democratic in the fall WILL be voting against their own best interests. That is a fact. Insulting me does not change a thing. The Democrats are promoting the policies of Bush and Newt Gingrich. Arne took him on the road trip, not me.
Arne gave him respect he did not deserve, not me.
So go ahead, continue your insults. I have truth on my side.
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Thank you, Raul Grijalva: Obama’s Market-Based Policies Endanger Public Education. [View all]
madfloridian
Apr 2014
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I am used to it. But this is a serious truth that can't be allowed to go away.
madfloridian
Apr 2014
#2
No you're not, at least in my book. I am a serious Obama supporter, but disagree with his education
mountain grammy
Apr 2014
#21
does it even occur to you, that Obama supporters don't agree with everything he does?
dionysus
Apr 2014
#42
I believe Grijalva is the first Dem to speak out against the demonization of public schools.
madfloridian
Apr 2014
#5
YES. Yes, it is good. I hope Grijalva keeps up the moral courage. Perhaps it will be catching.
ancianita
Apr 2014
#7
It's huge issue for Dems. They pushed for charter schools before Republicans did.
merrily
Apr 2014
#71
This IS the Democratic policy. We are fulfilling Bush's agenda, Gingrich's agenda.
madfloridian
Apr 2014
#12
Agree, but with a Democratic majority, we could have an honest debate about it
mountain grammy
Apr 2014
#23
I know it's a Democratic policy, but I'm a Democrat and it's not my policy
mountain grammy
Apr 2014
#51
we had that very recently, though the way things went you're probably confused
Doctor_J
Apr 2014
#44
Not being an educator, I am curious where Duncan recieved his education degree
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#11
That educators should be LEADING that conversation seams like an Axiom to me.
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#49
Yep. Our HC and Education dollars will have all been directed toward billionaires by the time Obama
Doctor_J
Apr 2014
#41
Not that surprising. The president favors for-profit health rationing, TPP, XL,
Doctor_J
Apr 2014
#40