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liberalhistorian

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82. Well, yes, indeed,

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:41 PM

Apr 2014

That is the true mystery. Then again, I've met some really self-hating, misogynistic women in my lifetime, so maybe it's not entirely a mystery.

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Nonconsensual sex: How colleges rebranded rape [View all] Ohio Joe Apr 2014 OP

A rose by any other name dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #1

and sexual assault is fairly close linguistically to sexy assault Supersedeas Apr 2014 #7

Language matters. MineralMan Apr 2014 #2

he forced her to have sex. that, we see a lot. no. he raped her. i agree mineral. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #4

That and sex with intoxicated women. MineralMan Apr 2014 #5

God, I remember the wheedling, whining, and pressuring. wryter2000 Apr 2014 #9

Yes. Giving in in the face of pressure is something MineralMan Apr 2014 #16

That long-ago girlfriend . . . Brigid Apr 2014 #20

Well, she was pretty awesome on her own. MineralMan Apr 2014 #46

this is the kind of thing that mopinko Apr 2014 #25

You're a great example of how it can go right erronis Apr 2014 #35

Love this: CrispyQ Apr 2014 #11

And Yes! is lots more fun, too. MineralMan Apr 2014 #17

+1000 heaven05 Apr 2014 #21

Then you have radio shock jocks like Tom Leykis who advocate getting women drunk R B Garr Apr 2014 #55

Guys like that are assholes, plain and simple. MineralMan Apr 2014 #62

Leykis is a pig who hates women, liberalhistorian Apr 2014 #69

The mystery is chervilant Apr 2014 #71

Well, yes, indeed, liberalhistorian Apr 2014 #82

This. nt redqueen Apr 2014 #83

so many men, continuously talk so ugly about women, too often. what would happen in mens world seabeyond Apr 2014 #78

If the word doesn't exist, then there is no such thing (semantic sarcasm) Tansy_Gold Apr 2014 #43

bad enough, guilty enough, to kick off campus, yet not use criminal system and send to jail. seabeyond Apr 2014 #3

Sadly... Even when found "responsible" only 10-25% get kicked off campus... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #6

He should edit what he said. CrispyQ Apr 2014 #12

And by not kicking them out of school and ... aggiesal Apr 2014 #14

It took 25 women showing up in the dean of students' office to get one off our campus. Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #15

If a football player is found guilty lark Apr 2014 #30

I'm not sure how one relates to the other Sgent Apr 2014 #60

Wow CFLDem Apr 2014 #8

Is one of the take-aways of this: Victims should pursue civil and criminal charges with law KurtNYC Apr 2014 #10

I would think yes... But I'm not certain it is so simple Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #13

They must, yes. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #19

Unfortunately it's somewhat more complicated than that: LeftyMom Apr 2014 #22

It IS a consent issue. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #18

Thanks for posting this despite some DUers expressing their "exasperation at posts discussing rape." redqueen Apr 2014 #23

I remember marions ghost Apr 2014 #24

I am an old woman (52) etherealtruth Apr 2014 #27

That's horrific, but not sadly, not so surprising YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #61

Right marions ghost Apr 2014 #66

I thought this happened because rape often has a narrow legal definition aikoaiko Apr 2014 #26

Good term. Non-consensual sex is broader encompassing more crimes than classic "rape". Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #28

Is it also 'good' that they are doing it to cover up rapes? Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #32

That's opinion. I'm not sure it would be supported by careful studies. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #34

Since schools are working to hide the numbers, the number of rapes is not known... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #39

Disagree lark Apr 2014 #33

You miss the boat. Non consensual sex is much more than vaginal or anal penetration. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #38

Again disagree lark Apr 2014 #41

A lot of times the law doesn't call it "rape" either davidn3600 Apr 2014 #44

We are talking about changing the name to cover up rape... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #49

Educated people (LE included) understand more than just four letter words. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #45

Are you being deliberately obtuse? chervilant Apr 2014 #52

Obtuse? Surely you realize assault is non-consensual & rape does involve sex or attempted sex. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #57

You seem woefully misinformed about rape, chervilant Apr 2014 #58

Be smart & explain yourself. If it doesn't involve a sexual aspect, then it's battery, not rape. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #59

'We,' Bernie? chervilant Apr 2014 #67

Rape is sexual assault (battery, actually) & it's primarily a power/violence thing. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #68

Pedantic repetition does not make you right. chervilant Apr 2014 #70

I asked for help but you won't address the points or answer the questions asked of you. So be it. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #72

Making justifications for schools covering up for rapists is not asking for help Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #73

Nothing I wrote was a justification for covering up rapists. NOTHING. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #74

Yes... All of it is Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #75

NOTHING. Covering up rape is not justified. You are confusing me with other posters. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #76

No... No confusion... You said it was 'good' that they change the terms... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #77

The language is good. The coverup is bad, wrong, evil, and is independent of language. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #79

No... You continue to ignore that the change is exactly to cover up rapes... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #80

I DO NOT JUSTIFY NOT CALLING RAPE A RAPE. That is the administration's fault, not the language. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #81

Non-sense. You are defending the change when you know why it is being changed... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #84

You don't want enlighten or educate (as asked for). You just want to argue Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #86

The article is clear and I am as well... That you ignore it, is your choice... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #88

I don't defend schools protecting rapists. I've said it before.You can make up stuff all you want.nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #89

Ask yourself two questions... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #90

The first question is way too simplistic. It easier for you to attack if it is simplistic. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #91

Not if I'm the one being raped or someone attempts to rape me ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #85

Exactly. It is primarily violence, but there is a sexual aspect even if it is not sexy. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #87

"rape" is in scare quotes? YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #64

It is quoted because we are discussing definitions and terminology. Only you are scared. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #65

Perhaps murder is "nonconsensual third party suicide"? nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #29

haha was gonna say the same thing! bettydavis Apr 2014 #36

+1,000,000 lark Apr 2014 #42

I was listening to the lawyer of tje Heisman trophy talking about false accusations, Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #31

but. . there is NO war on women. niyad Apr 2014 #37

Maybe some of these enabling universities need a BIG class action lawsuit. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #40

Part of it is Clery Act fallout. Xithras Apr 2014 #47

Denial is a terrible thing, no matter if it's well intentioned or not. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #48

Prosecution needs to be taken completely out of the hands of colleges LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #50

And, chervilant Apr 2014 #51

Should, yes LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #53

Excellent point. chervilant Apr 2014 #54

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #56

Anyone responsible for sexual assault should be in jail. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #63