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In reply to the discussion: Why are you people trying to start a war that no one will win? [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)39. Women as human shields wasn't a "story."
But some allies of rancher Cliven Bundy were prepared to make as much of a media spectacle as possible if violence were to erupt, saying they would put women on the front lines in the event federal officials turned to deadly force. Former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack told Fox News Monday, as reported by the Blaze:
We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, its going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.
Mack, a self-professed Tea Partier, is one of a host of right-wing figures who stood behind Bundy and made him a conservative celebrity after he refused to pay grazing fees based on his claim that the federal government is not entitled to own land.
We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, its going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.
Mack, a self-professed Tea Partier, is one of a host of right-wing figures who stood behind Bundy and made him a conservative celebrity after he refused to pay grazing fees based on his claim that the federal government is not entitled to own land.
So yes, there are craven cowards there, however honestly a few of these rifle-toting loons think threatening federal agents with murder over confiscation of a fistful of illegally grazing cattle is somehow a just cause. These are sick people with a demented mindset. They say they are for freedom and America, but to them that means freedom to threaten to kill anyone requiring them to hold up their end of the social contract that makes this a country in the first place. It's a stupider, more violent version of the entitled economic elites who likewise think the rest of us owe them something because of who they are.
I hope no one here is hoping for bloodshed. I haven't seen that, myself. These dangerous goofs should be arrested for the crimes they have committed.
But no, it wouldn't be a "civil war." The public at large would not bat a particularly concerned eye if one of these yahoos drawing down on law enforcement from the comfort of an overpass were shot dead on the spot. No one wants it, but they're the ones who think that's a winning scenario for them. Thus the nutty fantasy about getting the cops to shoot women. Straight from the Taliban playbook, let us note.
These are disturbed extremists, while we all -- save for elements of Fox News and Alex Jones -- hope their visions of a destructive confrontation never take place, they would lose promptly and decisively. No one thinks they aren't dangerous, but neither are they the vanguard of some great wave of powerful rightwing unrest.
If they were ever to get the faintest taste of the reality they think they are prepared for, all the toy soldiering in the forest and all fascist regalia and tactical gear, all the fancy black rifles in the world won't help them, because the country is not, and never will be, on their side.
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In case you missed it our Federal government and states still do administer the death penalty
oneofthe99
Apr 2014
#59
"That does't mean we get to decide for ourselves which laws need to be followed."
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#120
I am not sure who is clamoring "for a war" as you put it, but Harry Reid DID NOT call for violence,
lostincalifornia
Apr 2014
#8
You totally ignore the huge win and confidence it gave these nuts. Short sighted I see. nt
Logical
Apr 2014
#12
The federal government has ways of making certain groups wish they were never born.
CTyankee
Apr 2014
#63
Excuse me? Seems to me the only people that were itching for a showdown are you rightwing types
notadmblnd
Apr 2014
#13
So by advocating smart action instead of bloody confrontations I'm RW now?
Savannahmann
Apr 2014
#22
I agree the feds weren't ready for what happened and it won't be the last time these nuts
oneofthe99
Apr 2014
#35
So we should just overlook these "Soveriegn Citizen" movements and hope they go away?
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#19
I'm sure they are all under surveillance now , license plates , photos taken
oneofthe99
Apr 2014
#28
If that is what they want.....shouldn't they find out just how outgunned they are?
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#116
Oh yeah we know all their names...right....yeah that is how law enforcement works....right
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#144
Do you think after pointing weapons at Federal Agents....that we should not send the SWAT
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#88
It was posted today because this is the first day off I've had from work for most of the week.
Savannahmann
Apr 2014
#41
Do not forget about the other April 20th, that matters to some of these asshats
nadinbrzezinski
Apr 2014
#50
I Can't get over the difference between this and OWS vis a vis the authorities
Populist_Prole
Apr 2014
#53
You know..its too bad you start with a blanket accusatory indictment of fellow DUers...it leads me
Drew Richards
Apr 2014
#56
Jesus U. Christ on a pogo stick you are talking about .003 % of the population ROFL
snooper2
Apr 2014
#125
+100. The "you people" and the tiresome posing as an expert re all things historical.
Paladin
Apr 2014
#111
We most definitely are a nation of laws. The volumes of federal state and local laws
merrily
Apr 2014
#104
There are many survivalists who have invested heavily for this scenario.
Jesus Malverde
Apr 2014
#100
You'd think the federal government, National Guard and state and local authorities
merrily
Apr 2014
#105
What kind of scenarios do you suppose survivalist federal, state and local governments are
merrily
Apr 2014
#119
We all know what the government reaction to "the left" brandishing firearms would be
Fumesucker
Apr 2014
#108
"you seriously think the Federal Government can't defeat the various...if all-out war broke out?"
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#115