Why are you people trying to start a war that no one will win?

[Boreal]

43. Whoa, I stopped right at "sovereign citizen"

That isn't true. I'm assuming you didn't know and are just repeating something you've heard. I heard him interviewed and the interviewer tried to associate (and thereby smear) him with that and he had no clue what it was. That interviewer who did that was that snake Glenn Beck.

Bundy isn't part of any group, he's a rancher, ffs. He also owns the water rights to that land. I'm a lifelong vegetarian and animal rights activist and even I can understand that for people like him, they eat, breathe and live the land and cattle and horses and everything that goes with that life. More important, he's not of those truly evil factory farmers.

I now went back and read the rest of your post and agree that civil war is a bad idea (to say the least!). I disagree that Bundy or any other rancher is dangerous. I don't see any ranchers calling on city folks to be droned and murdered. I see plenty of that bloodlust here, though, and find it shocking and appalling. Somewhere in the course of 30 years, my party has turned into violence loving authoritarians and I'm very upset about it.

I've spent my life living in cities until 10 years ago. I now live in a sub rural area and while I just have a house, my neighbors raise horses, farm, and work with their hands. They're all good people. Very salt of the earth types, like people out west who have lived that way for generations. I do not get this hatefest that's going on toward these kinds of people. Something is NOT right about this. Same for Ukraine. People support neo Nazis in Kiev creating their own whatever kind of society but have a hate-on for the anti fascists of the east and south who also want the right to go there own way. WTF?