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MannyGoldstein

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48. This needs to be dealt with, solidly

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:56 PM

Apr 2014

The best thing to do in that specific confrontation might have been to stand down: it seems that the rebels were well armed and in position to cause serious mayhem. By they are violating the law, and threatening violence; this cannot stand. Hopefully their identities are known, and they will be captured.

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Why are you people trying to start a war that no one will win? [View all] Savannahmann Apr 2014 OP

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Please don't imply that a DUer is mentally ill MineralMan Apr 2014 #14

"You people..." Cooley Hurd Apr 2014 #2

Agreed Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #102

.. eShirl Apr 2014 #3

I'm not afraid of traitors too stupid to know the law, or the Constitution. arcane1 Apr 2014 #4

I'm afraid of ignorance getting us into a situation we can't win. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #16

It would actually be much more dangerous if they didn't unite oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #21

"life in prison or worse" Boreal Apr 2014 #44

In case you missed it our Federal government and states still do administer the death penalty oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #59

They didn't harm anyone Boreal Apr 2014 #62

This thread was talking about what could happen oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #65

I've also written that's there's a lot more to this Boreal Apr 2014 #68

So your position is clear then oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #70

You would do well to inform yourself, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #76

He owns the water rights Boreal Apr 2014 #98

If all you claim were actually true leftynyc Apr 2014 #110

Court ruling does not = right; see, Kelo v New London Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #113

Of course courts can be wrong leftynyc Apr 2014 #114

"That does't mean we get to decide for ourselves which laws need to be followed." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #120

Yawn leftynyc Apr 2014 #121

I live in the west and I cover rural areas in the west nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #124

after the son charged a BLM agent nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #73

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Look, I get it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #27

No I am not suggesting we surrender and give up. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #54

The Elian Gonzalez rescue was an entirely staged and agreed upon op... Mika Apr 2014 #61

You are comparing a staged event with this? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #69

I have never advocated for starting any kind war, but merrily Apr 2014 #103

And I used to own one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #126

I googled for bulletproof vests, but did not buy one. merrily Apr 2014 #128

As a medic I had to go to shootouts nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #131

Luckily, a former employer of mine hosted a CPR course for employees. merrily Apr 2014 #134

We perhaps... sendero Apr 2014 #47

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This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Apr 2014 #83

Much sense here, but too harsh on DUers Faygo Kid Apr 2014 #5

I was not one of those calling on force to be used Savannahmann Apr 2014 #17

FUD'riffic! tridim Apr 2014 #6

I just think it's repugnant for people to cheer for/demand war. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #7

+1. tosh Apr 2014 #10

Thank you Boreal Apr 2014 #49

I am not sure who is clamoring "for a war" as you put it, but Harry Reid DID NOT call for violence, lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #8

You know, not everyone on DU wants to shoot all of these MineralMan Apr 2014 #9

I agree in part what you're saying oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #11

better just to arrest those kookoo birds when they least expect it. arely staircase Apr 2014 #32

Yes it is , not during a stand off oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #37

You totally ignore the huge win and confidence it gave these nuts. Short sighted I see. nt Logical Apr 2014 #12

Pfui Savannahmann Apr 2014 #20

Wait and see how this turns out before claiming a win on this. nt Logical Apr 2014 #24

The federal government has ways of making certain groups wish they were never born. CTyankee Apr 2014 #63

Sure. And Donato Daylrimple just happened to be there, right? Mika Apr 2014 #64

Excuse me? Seems to me the only people that were itching for a showdown are you rightwing types notadmblnd Apr 2014 #13

So by advocating smart action instead of bloody confrontations I'm RW now? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #22

You're giving a lecture to the entire DU community like you are. notadmblnd Apr 2014 #34

No Savannahmann Apr 2014 #38

I know who the sovereign types are nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #15

You are correct. old guy Apr 2014 #45

I'm not worrying about the militia types having better body armor. House of Roberts Apr 2014 #18

It's not high tech that I would be worried about oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #25

No. But this won't be the last standoff either. House of Roberts Apr 2014 #31

I agree the feds weren't ready for what happened and it won't be the last time these nuts oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #35

So we should just overlook these "Soveriegn Citizen" movements and hope they go away? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #19

I'm sure they are all under surveillance now , license plates , photos taken oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #28

and what do you propose the FBI do? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #87

There's plenty they can be doing that doesn't involve a shooting match oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #97

If that is what they want.....shouldn't they find out just how outgunned they are? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #116

No , they can be detained and arrested when they leave oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #143

Oh yeah we know all their names...right....yeah that is how law enforcement works....right VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #144

I didn't want to see anyone killed oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #147

Who does....but these guys ARE dangerous and ARE planning mayhem.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #148

That I didn't know about the bomb oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #149

Absolutely. meanit Apr 2014 #71

It was very disappointing to see the posts here hoping for violence Lurks Often Apr 2014 #23

I hope they can be arrested peacefully. arely staircase Apr 2014 #26

Do you think after pointing weapons at Federal Agents....that we should not send the SWAT VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #88

are you a libertarian? and please don't take offense arely staircase Apr 2014 #29

Send in the drones LordGlenconner Apr 2014 #30

That's the problem with Liberals... Bigmack Apr 2014 #33

Your plan has a better chance of success than the face them down crowd Savannahmann Apr 2014 #42

The first thing is to take away the "glory" from these guys, meanit Apr 2014 #86

This mac56 Apr 2014 #158

I give you a big "un-rec", cause you've been watching too much Hannity... MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #36

It was posted today because this is the first day off I've had from work for most of the week. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #41

No� not that� I'm talking about Patriot's Day... MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #46

Do not forget about the other April 20th, that matters to some of these asshats nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #50

Ah� yesssssss... MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #55

Didn't know about Patriot's day either Savannahmann Apr 2014 #85

Women as human shields wasn't a "story." DirkGently Apr 2014 #39

They need to be arrested one by one and tried as terrorists. Hoyt Apr 2014 #40

theu are criminals Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #66

+1 Louisiana1976 Apr 2014 #72

Whoa, I stopped right at "sovereign citizen" Boreal Apr 2014 #43

The beliefs of the Sovereign Citizens and his match too damned closely. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #51

Okay Boreal Apr 2014 #60

Oh for frak's face, Bundy IS a Sovereign Citizen nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #52

No, he isn't Boreal Apr 2014 #58

His statements are that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #67

You got farther than I did. I stopped at "you people." Iggo Apr 2014 #96

Is it true that he owns the water rights to the federal land? eShirl Apr 2014 #99

ikr lunasun Apr 2014 #129

This needs to be dealt with, solidly MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #48

I Can't get over the difference between this and OWS vis a vis the authorities Populist_Prole Apr 2014 #53

You know..its too bad you start with a blanket accusatory indictment of fellow DUers...it leads me Drew Richards Apr 2014 #56

Yes it is DU trying to start a war Egnever Apr 2014 #57

So just let the criminals win? Because it was a criminal act. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #74

Yeah, thanks a whole bunch for the snotty defeatist lecture. Paladin Apr 2014 #75

You hit the enemy where they are weakest. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #77

I sincerely hope you are joking. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #84

Brother vs. brother? Seriously? DirkGently Apr 2014 #89

LOL NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #112

Well put. (nt) Paladin Apr 2014 #118

Why? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #122

Are the moonshiners engaging in active rebellion? NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #123

Jesus U. Christ on a pogo stick you are talking about .003 % of the population ROFL snooper2 Apr 2014 #125

Yeah, they've won the war on terror haven't they? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #137

not sure what you are going on about, but we don't have to kill them snooper2 Apr 2014 #138

I have no fear of morons wearing cowboy hats. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #78

Pick every one of these snot-nosed punks up... 99Forever Apr 2014 #79

Read this, please BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #80

You lost me at "you people." Brigid Apr 2014 #81

+100. The "you people" and the tiresome posing as an expert re all things historical. Paladin Apr 2014 #111

I don't know from 'start a war', but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #82

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Advocating for the death of people with whom you disagree isn't cool. cyberswede Apr 2014 #92

And here I was thinking that we were a nation of laws Jake Stern Apr 2014 #94

We most definitely are a nation of laws. The volumes of federal state and local laws merrily Apr 2014 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Apr 2014 #95

There are many survivalists who have invested heavily for this scenario. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #100

You'd think the federal government, National Guard and state and local authorities merrily Apr 2014 #105

The survivalist nut jobs envision a SHTF scenario Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #117

What kind of scenarios do you suppose survivalist federal, state and local governments are merrily Apr 2014 #119

We all know what the government reaction to "the left" brandishing firearms would be Fumesucker Apr 2014 #108

So let me get this straight... mattclearing Apr 2014 #101

The Federal Government and the power of the gun eh... Savannahmann Apr 2014 #109

Not the same thing. mattclearing Apr 2014 #140

Unlimited manpower? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #141

Jesus BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #145

I think you over-estimate the potential numbers. mattclearing Apr 2014 #152

"you seriously think the Federal Government can't defeat the various...if all-out war broke out?" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #115

Not the same thing. mattclearing Apr 2014 #139

And the boys will be home by Christmas. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #142

No one ever wins any war. quaker bill Apr 2014 #106

Wow, Motown_Johnny Apr 2014 #107

"You people"? Lex Apr 2014 #127

""But a shootout in Nevada would have sparked a civil war,"" lunasun Apr 2014 #130

Superb post. MicaelS Apr 2014 #132

Nice slam and worthless generalizations against DU'ers. nt Lex Apr 2014 #135

RKBA is over there... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #136

do the militia nuts warrprayer Apr 2014 #133

Did the Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan have those? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #150

estimated 20,000 warrprayer Apr 2014 #155

That's a lot of people oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #156

I wonder warrprayer Apr 2014 #159

Link to the source for that number? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #160

I think it was warrprayer Apr 2014 #162

Savannah BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #146

The principle in diplomacy is negotiation. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #151

Oops! Jeff Murdoch Apr 2014 #154

Well that will drive the RW into the arms of love and tolerance Savannahmann Apr 2014 #161

Tanks, Drones, they couldn't have been serious. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #153

Oh brother ProSense Apr 2014 #157