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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/columbine-15-years-later15 Years After Columbine, How "Never Again" Became "Oh Well"
Welcome to America, the land of blue jeans, rock & roll, and sporadic meaningless mass murder.
Ben Dreyfuss on Sun. April 20, 2014 2:31 PM PDT
On April 20, 1999, two teenagers walked into a suburban high school outside of Denver and shot 13 people to death. The massacre at Columbine was not the first mass shooting in America. It was not the first mass shooting at an American school. Indeed, Peter Jennings began the news that night, "The reaction of so many people today was 'oh no, not again.'" But Columbine was different. It became a national trauma in a way the others hadn't. Yes, it was the deadliest American school shooting on record at the timethough it is no longerbut what really amplified its significance was the fact it was the first mass shooting that played out in real time on television. The shootings began at 11:19am. By noon, local television stations had broken into regular programming with uninterrupted media coverage. Millions of people across the country turned on CNN and watched the story develop.
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After Columbine there was a general sense that something had to be done. That kids getting killed at school was a thing we weren't going to be ok with. "Never again," the saying goes. It wasn't some fanciful impossibility. The British did it after Dunblane. And so we did that. Everyone got together and passed sweeping gun control legislation and there was never another mass shooting in America.
Except not really. Because the "never again" responsethough shared by manywas not shared by all.
On May 1, Charlton Heston came to Denver and made a much-discussed speech where he said, "We have work to do, hearts to heal, evil to defeat, and a country to unite. We may have differences, yes, and we will again suffer tragedy almost beyond description. But when the sun sets on Denver tonight, and forever more, let it always set on we the people, secure in our land of the free and the home of the brave." Say what you will about that speech, but as far as predictions go it was spot on. It's a fait accompli. There were more shootings. We mourned and then did nothing because we seem to have accepted that occasional mass murder is the cost of America.
Both responses, "never again" and "don't bother trying," offer statements about the USA. The former says "America is the greatest country on Earth. We went to the moon. Surely, we can stop kids from getting shot to death at school! If the Brits can do it, so can we. " The latter says, "No, we can't. We're America. The greatest country on Earth and the cost of the liberty that makes us so is that our kids may get shot to death at school." It goes further, "Kids in other countries may get shot to death at their schools too, but we know that after kids get shot to death in our schools that there will be no significant reforms to prevent more of our kids from getting shot to death at more of our schools. Their death will, in a very real sense, be utterly meaningless."
Every time there is another mass shooting and nothing happens it becomes a little easier to believe that the "don't bother" crowd is right.
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But I'm sure the fact we're unable to pass even moderate gun control in this country, doesn't help.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#3
Universial background checks would not stop mass shootings. Look at the last few......
Logical
Apr 2014
#8
"Criminals have no trouble getting guns." Therefore no gun control whatsoever?
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#13
Let me know what you propose. Most here post irrational crap that will stop nothing. nt
Logical
Apr 2014
#14
Much like this entire thread is a pathetic attempt for more gun control n/t
Lurks Often
Apr 2014
#65
I thought cutting down on the thousands of homicides a year would be good enough.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#16
I don't accept that thousands of homicides would be prevented with "relatively mild" measures
badtoworse
Apr 2014
#34
Yes, the murder rate is substantially lower than 20 years. But it's still the highest in the
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#15
you're accusing the families of the victims of using Newtown as a "PR gimmick"?
CreekDog
Apr 2014
#48
Ah, you made some people laugh at the girl's death? Good job, then, CreekDog!
Skip Intro
Apr 2014
#54
Not knowledgeable about guns or the proper terminology for the various types and styles of...
3catwoman3
Apr 2014
#140
You're referring to biometric or RFID systems that lock out unauthorized users.
Bazinga
Apr 2014
#149
and shortly before or that a lunatic opened up on firefighters in a suburb on my city with an AR
dionysus
Apr 2014
#108
As much as this place sucks now, I still don't think I've seen anything as disgusting as your post
Number23
Apr 2014
#148
I'm all for UBCs, though not necessarily how they were proposed after Sandy Hook.
Bazinga
Apr 2014
#114
Fair enough. But I'm open to anything that might reduce our thousands of gun homicides a year
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#118
I agree the focus on semi-auto rifles is excessive, when handguns are responsible for most of the
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#132
Hopefully, preventing the worst of the crazies from having guns, or at least from obtaining more.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#162
If they have a criminal (certainly felony) record since obtaining the gun, then yes, it should be
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#165
So what do we do about the admittedly fairly small minority of gun owners who are a potential
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#168
I don't consider gun owners in general my opponents. Only those opposed to any gun control at all
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#170
It's rare in most civilized countries that have strong gun laws. It's not rare here.
Arugula Latte
Apr 2014
#76
And people like you are as bad as the "everyone should be armed" group. No logic needed. nt
Logical
Apr 2014
#7
Typically it is anyone who believes in the freedom of civilians/poor to own a gun
The Straight Story
Apr 2014
#43
You need a license and registration papers to drive a car, why not to own a gun?
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#92
we sure like to wallow--our only actions are blundering vengeance against brown people (Afghanistan,
MisterP
Apr 2014
#29
And to think, I was blaming the murder of children on the murderers themselves...
Jgarrick
Apr 2014
#40
Since you have knowledge of someone aiding and abetting in the murder of children who has not been
Jgarrick
Apr 2014
#47
We can't do anything about guns because there are other things which claim more lives
Major Nikon
Apr 2014
#70
That's the problem, you want to do "ANYTHING!" You don't even know what it is you want to do or why.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#71
You stated yourself that the inner cities had a higher murder rate than rural communities.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#77
Ah yes, a clever repackaging of the tired old "guns don't kill people" meme
Major Nikon
Apr 2014
#82
I am talking about the List of countries by firearm-related death rate which he posted.
CTyankee
Apr 2014
#112
Ah, revelation! Thank you. It explains everything...of course...how could those countries
CTyankee
Apr 2014
#126
Well, it can't be guns because as US laws become more lax the homicide rate is dropping.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#133
and how well we are doing up against all these other countries...isn't it marvelous?
CTyankee
Apr 2014
#136
"You want to eliminate the guns but are content in leaving the intent to commit murder"
Major Nikon
Apr 2014
#91
Really? Then how do you explain places where gun ownership is high but murder rates are low?
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#95
the man who killed my niece was not a career criminal. He was law abiding until he wasn't.
CTyankee
Apr 2014
#127
An anecdote is not the basis for law and I think your retelling of events is suspect.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#137
No you're not. You've been rebutted repeatedly you just ignore the facts.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#134
Universal background checks, and some form of registration - probably at the state, not federal
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#94
The deaths, the injuries, the violence, and the accidents are simply part and parcel of the price we
LanternWaste
Apr 2014
#84
I have no problem with gun ownership in itself. It's the elevation of the firearm to a kind of holy
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#97
Not here, maybe. But that mentality does exist in the wider society - just look at the people who
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#119
I mean how some people always, no matter what, take the side of the shooter.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#122
The holy relic part isn't guns, it's freedoms. From abortion to speech to guns
The Straight Story
Apr 2014
#115
I'm not opposed to gun ownership. All I want are background checks, some form of registration
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#120
Makes sense. Good to have an intelligent discussion with someone on it :)
The Straight Story
Apr 2014
#138