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10. Y'know, I'm going to call 'horseshit' on this

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:33 AM

Apr 2014

A 'cadre' calling someone a 'villain' or 'misogynist jerk' for the Heinlien story, for trying to free the foot of someone caught in front of an oncoming train? Seriously?

I don't think you're picking up what the problem is and why you're not receiving the reaction you apparently expect. I would point to the rank condescension that flows out of your post like a firehose. "Incoherent as the demands of a hormonal teen"? You understand we can hear you, right?

Now, I don't seem to have the problem you do on this. Then again, when I walk someone to their car or see them out, it's because they welcome my company. On the occasions where I detect that I've overstayed my welcome and am imposing on them, I wrap it up quick and get the hell out of Dodge.

In this day and age 'chivalry' (in the best sense) is simple respect and courtesy. "It's my job" whether your company is welcome or not isn't respect and courtesy, it's just creepy. If you're creeping someone out, it's not chivalry. And 'chivalry' does not involve patting yourself on the back.

Are you a lumberjack? Because if you're not, you really need to cut down on the axe grinding.

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"Would you walk me to my car?" [View all] Riftaxe Apr 2014 OP

Where Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #1

There is no context needed intaglio Apr 2014 #2

Risk of assault stalks all of us. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #40

Your point? intaglio Apr 2014 #110

lulz...ok then.. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #111

But a noisy little cabal, intaglio Apr 2014 #117

What?? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #6

whats the context? Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #38

+1 treestar Apr 2014 #27

It used to be a point of pride Aerows Apr 2014 #122

Asking for context is far removed from taking offense.. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #123

Robert Heinline wrote of an incident which occurred when he was a boy... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #3

Indeed Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #4

Link? JHB Apr 2014 #13

" and proclaimed him a villain"--I find your claim absurd. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #7

Y'know, I'm going to call 'horseshit' on this JHB Apr 2014 #10

+1 cyberswede Apr 2014 #17

Great post. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #41

+++!! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #74

Amazing post- thank you. bettyellen Apr 2014 #76

'chivalry' does not involve patting yourself on the back MattBaggins Apr 2014 #97

Great post, which will no doubt fall on deaf ears. Squinch Apr 2014 #102

I think you hit on the core of the problem in such complaints BainsBane Apr 2014 #113

Hahahahahhaa!!! Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #11

utter bullshit. seabeyond Apr 2014 #12

I'm also calling this out as absurd. chrisa Apr 2014 #14

She jammed her leg into the track on purpose, specifically to kill those two guys Orrex Apr 2014 #20

Absurd and completely off the mark. MineralMan Apr 2014 #22

I'm afraid YOU are off the mark. I have made no comment on what women want... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #72

No we responded to what you wrote. Saving a life is not chivalry .... bettyellen Apr 2014 #77

The OP was one line with multiple interpretations as to what it was referring to JHB Apr 2014 #82

The MRA Don Quixote's charging at those feminazi windmills MattBaggins Apr 2014 #99

You have a way with words! Squinch Apr 2014 #104

I am surprised that you actually mourn the death of chivalry MattBaggins Apr 2014 #98

Untrue treestar Apr 2014 #23

Well, it's Heinlein. Just be glad that she has clothes on. Orrex Apr 2014 #25

Ha. I was half expecting a point about "helping others" at the end of that nonsense post. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #43

I recently reread an old book of his and laughed so hard at his depiction of the women uppityperson Apr 2014 #53

Good point. nt redqueen Apr 2014 #57

! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #73

Let me guess: you're NOT a woman. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #36

Ridiculous, you're imaging things. and it's ought- not aught. bettyellen Apr 2014 #69

Trust me on this ... I definitely do NOT need a guy like you around. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #78

+1 n/t JTFrog Apr 2014 #91

if she had a leg stuck in the track, couldn't she lay to whichever side is closer... yurbud Apr 2014 #93

One time at band camp MattBaggins Apr 2014 #100

I will take a different veiw MattBaggins Apr 2014 #96

What an idiotic post. You really feel sorry for yourself, don't you? Squinch Apr 2014 #103

+ many sdfernando Apr 2014 #107

Please BainsBane Apr 2014 #112

"what version of chivalry says a good way to meet women is by offering them $20 for a BJ?" redqueen Apr 2014 #120

That's an old joke KentuckyWoman Apr 2014 #115

So the message of your little story is don't help or you could be killed. B Calm Apr 2014 #124

All kinds of courtesy is gone. merrily Apr 2014 #5

Out of curiosity, did you ask for help opening the door? Orrex Apr 2014 #19

As my post says, I had already asked him for help closing the door and merrily Apr 2014 #21

Perhaps you missed the part where I said he should have offered. Orrex Apr 2014 #24

That is not how your post came across At ALL. merrily Apr 2014 #28

I apologize for my unclear post and for sounding like I was blaming you. Orrex Apr 2014 #30

He still could have forgotten about it while he was driving, so you could have asked again treestar Apr 2014 #26

I never called myself a victim and the only thing that I assumed was that he merrily Apr 2014 #29

"Point is, all kinds of courtesies have disappeared." Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #42

I don't expect a cabbie to speak my language. merrily Apr 2014 #44

What you needed apparently was a nurse or medical transport. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #45

No, what I would have liked was simple courtesy, the topic of the thread. merrily Apr 2014 #47

Visit california sometime and get back to me about what is reasonable to expect from Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #48

I'd stack them up against Boston and NYC any day of the week and twice on Sundays merrily Apr 2014 #51

I take it you've not spent much time in the bay area. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #56

IDGI. Arer you suggesting women ought ask strangers this, or that more strangers ought comply? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #8

I have lived in wester Nebraska and western SD for the last 30 years newfie11 Apr 2014 #9

"no longer a simple courtesy in too many cases" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #15

ya. i do not know if poster is talking walking guests to the door, often to the car, OR seabeyond Apr 2014 #16

I kind of made the dark parking lot assumption. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #18

Night classes at commuter college HockeyMom Apr 2014 #31

Safety in #'s. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #34

This is what we did, too. nt redqueen Apr 2014 #62

Who with a what now? theboss Apr 2014 #32

Apparently "walk to the car" is code for something Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #39

An example--I am a nurse ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #118

Excellent example that was sorely missing from the OP. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #119

Oh, this thread has gone in a fun direction theboss Apr 2014 #33

mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #35

So, you wouldn't say, "Sure" if someone asked you that? MineralMan Apr 2014 #37

Security escort is not something people randomly do. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #46

thru out my life, in situations, i have always had men offer to walk me out. seabeyond Apr 2014 #49

It seems that some posters never heard of courteous behavior of any kind. merrily Apr 2014 #54

Be glad you never met a psychopath. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #60

ok winky, i am glad, but how do i know i have not met one? examples? a boss at work, seabeyond Apr 2014 #63

Winky is referring to Ted Bundy- who sported a fake broken arm he used to trick women into helping bettyellen Apr 2014 #75

of course that is what she meant and we do not have to get to the point of absurd. seabeyond Apr 2014 #79

I wasn't sure you understood. It's largely situational. bettyellen Apr 2014 #81

yup. to all you say. i do not have a clue why people are making this like a ..... drama. lol. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #92

They'd like to pretend feminists are harming women, instead of their egos. bettyellen Apr 2014 #94

I am a woman and I have offered to walk with younger women in my neighborhood merrily Apr 2014 #50

Sexual Assault by strangers is at an all time historic low. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #52

and awareness of sexual assault is probably at an all time high yurbud Apr 2014 #55

Exactamundo!! ding ding ding... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #58

Maybe, if you're asking a total stranger. merrily Apr 2014 #61

What does that have to do with my post about rapes my neighborhood? merrily Apr 2014 #59

Your missing the point. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #67

Nope. Nailed you. Keep proving my point. merrily Apr 2014 #68

lulz...ok then...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #70

BTW, merrily Apr 2014 #71

Actually, it's something a lot of people do, and freely. MineralMan Apr 2014 #83

"college escort services" Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #85

It's a volunteer thing at those colleges, MineralMan Apr 2014 #90

Can it also include some decent girls who will walk guys who feel unsafe? MattBaggins Apr 2014 #101

I don't see why not, but I have nothing MineralMan Apr 2014 #106

Comeon mm Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #109

Did this really get posted at 2:49 AM this morning? snooper2 Apr 2014 #64

Either way, it's been informative to me. merrily Apr 2014 #65

you might of hit on the reason for this post. she wasnt walked out to her car??? at 2 am? nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #66

Sounds a lot like the guy who posted supposedly seeking from DUers a merrily Apr 2014 #80

i totally agree with both your points. seabeyond Apr 2014 #84

Maybe the issue is how nice a lot of DUers are, even to juveniles. merrily Apr 2014 #86

1:49 local time here and ironically, LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #108

During the Sandy blackout it was pitch dark, and I walked a scared young man to my car, drove him to bettyellen Apr 2014 #114

Not my experience FreeJoe Apr 2014 #87

This OP is silly. tammywammy Apr 2014 #88

Of course I would walk you to your car. Xyzse Apr 2014 #89

Um its a request. Notafraidtoo Apr 2014 #95

K... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #105

It's benevelont sexism and should never be offered TransitJohn Apr 2014 #116

Show us the link where you learned that BainsBane Apr 2014 #121