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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
54. we should just ignore everything Obama says he's going to do
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 03:18 PM
Mar 2012

because, after all, how is he going to get Lieberman, et al to go for it?

Next time, let's vote for a president who can do things.

Mandate and PO should have been hand in hand zipplewrath Mar 2012 #1
Well, at least ProSense Mar 2012 #2
As we all do. ClassWarrior Mar 2012 #12
And how exactly was Obama sharp_stick Mar 2012 #3
please don't talk facts /nt still_one Mar 2012 #6
Good points. pinto Mar 2012 #9
President Obama opposed a public option so how could he pass something he was against? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #13
please don't talk facts nt/ ClassWarrior Mar 2012 #14
Where are the facts? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2012 #17
Luckly this poster did what you said before you said it uponit7771 Mar 2012 #37
He did ProSense Mar 2012 #18
Where does either one of those even mention public option? FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #51
It doesn't, but ProSense Mar 2012 #67
It's no premise that Obama opposed the public option. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #76
Ok. FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #130
True. But only in the 87th dimension Creideiki Mar 2012 #65
Well now that's just pretty much wrong sharp_stick Mar 2012 #32
Explain how you get Lieberman to vote yes ... I'll spot you all the other blue dogs ... Go!! JoePhilly Mar 2012 #34
"For one thing, the White House could have used THIS:" slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #36
Ok, I'll play ... Obama sends those people to get Lieberman ... JoePhilly Mar 2012 #50
Who knows what his reason would be, maybe we needed to first build support or until ... slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #71
How do you vote him out of office when he does not plan to run again??????? JoePhilly Mar 2012 #72
Post links to the public pressure from Obama to Lieberman ... slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #81
I have Lieberman on the phone ... tell me what to say to him. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #89
I've now posted the leverage twice... Chan790 Mar 2012 #126
I included that as item #3 in the post you responded to above. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #136
Do you read any links or just say Joe is all powerful and the president is powerless. n/t slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #135
Don't think I said that at all. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #137
The "study" that found 2/3rds of the country for single payer is not all that impressive karynnj Mar 2012 #98
No, not really, the Dec. 2007 AP-Yahoo Poll had 65/54% depending on how ... slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #133
Threaten his seniority and committee-chairs he was gifted despite not being an elected Democrat. Chan790 Mar 2012 #79
I love your idea! The disgust I feel for this man is so great that I get sick just thinking about CTyankee Mar 2012 #125
That is the best response. I posted my response up thread. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #138
I just saw that. n/t Chan790 Mar 2012 #140
Exactly. Huge pressure was brought down on holdouts on the left kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #142
I think we can agree that Bill Bradley... meaculpa2011 Mar 2012 #91
+ a couple hundred brazillon Myrina Mar 2012 #44
good points frylock Mar 2012 #45
Please list all Republican Senators that would have voted for the plan you suggest karynnj Mar 2012 #94
Obama was not against a public option. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #132
That actually proves our point, not yours. Maven Mar 2012 #19
Actually, ProSense Mar 2012 #28
Oh, waaah! girl gone mad Mar 2012 #77
Oh this is precious. Arkana Mar 2012 #128
The Bully Pulpit FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #53
The Bully Pulpit is the Tee Vee, and it Only Works for the Repigs Because They Own All the Networks AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #85
Good point. FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #129
Pesky, pesky facts. great white snark Mar 2012 #25
Facts are good...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #31
Obama wasn't on board with Single Payer or Public Option when he was a candidate. LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #42
He managed to twist Dennis Kucinich's arm to vote for HCR eridani Mar 2012 #52
Maybe this is how he does it. sofa king Mar 2012 #92
The Very SAME way he ultimatley passed the ACA.... Reconciliation. bvar22 Mar 2012 #100
+10000000 nashville_brook Mar 2012 #108
A President sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #103
Not force, but fight. SmellyFeet Mar 2012 #113
When you don't even try, WilliamPitt Mar 2012 #118
This shiite pisses me off to no end Cosmocat Mar 2012 #124
and how were you going to get LIEberman, nelson, lincoln, byah, and others to go for it? /nt still_one Mar 2012 #4
don't bother DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #22
Basher could care less about answering these simple questions uponit7771 Mar 2012 #38
we should just ignore everything Obama says he's going to do Enrique Mar 2012 #54
Twist their arms: Tell them that if they want any DNC money, they'd better toe the line Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #107
+1. Sadly, so many blind supporters are okay with his lack of fight on the public option. SmellyFeet Mar 2012 #114
OK, I respectfully ask this DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #143
The part about LBJ is revisionist history Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #144
By ditching the PO, he gave himself a route Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #5
The only thing they should have done is say it was a tax, which probably would have prevented the still_one Mar 2012 #7
and how many members of congress would vote for "a new tax"? CTyankee Mar 2012 #33
Agree. And the Congressional compromise enabled the expansion of Medicaid as well pinto Mar 2012 #10
Do you believe that President Obama wanted Medicare for All or a strong public option? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #20
From the top: Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #84
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2012 #21
Then he's not as smart as many want to think. SmellyFeet Mar 2012 #115
Matthew Rothschild is consistently wrong... SidDithers Mar 2012 #8
Enjoy your single payer healthcare up there, Sid. Maven Mar 2012 #24
No need for the article. Here at DU we argued this same point endlessly Cleita Mar 2012 #11
isn't that the truth /nt still_one Mar 2012 #15
I remember that well laundry_queen Mar 2012 #30
In order for Obama to have gotten real health care reform . . . gratuitous Mar 2012 #16
Can you answer my question in post #34? JoePhilly Mar 2012 #35
Easier to win any Senator's vote than it is to get a SCOTUS decison reversed. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #82
So you don't know how either. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #87
Tell him that you'll have the DNC flood his media market (Connecticut) Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #109
This is the truth. The mandate probably is unconstitutional without a public option. Maven Mar 2012 #23
many of us here have known that from the beginning.... mike_c Mar 2012 #26
Bought in or bought out? SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #27
I still believe that President Obama littlewolf Mar 2012 #29
I hope he is a chess player, because if this goes down adigal Mar 2012 #39
That's what I keep saying! mainer Mar 2012 #41
Sure, hammer it home.... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #43
I disagree...people realize this is all political adigal Mar 2012 #90
Who would believe him this time? girl gone mad Mar 2012 #78
Yep Snowe, and all of the other 59 Senators needed to pass it all wanted it but Obama said grantcart Mar 2012 #40
News flash! It only takes 51 votes to pass legislation in the Senate, not 60. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #46
No it takes a majority grantcart Mar 2012 #56
Here is another link that explains the 60 vote/filibuster issues chowder66 Mar 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Mar 2012 #61
Was this meant for someone else? chowder66 Mar 2012 #62
yep sorry grantcart Mar 2012 #63
Phew..eom chowder66 Mar 2012 #66
A simple majority of Senate votes have always been required to pass legislation, 51 today, not 60. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #64
Yes. 51 is a majority BUT chowder66 Mar 2012 #70
Invoking cloture to end debate requires 60 votes. Passing legislation requires 51 votes. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #97
You're talking about 2 different Congresses. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #105
White House as helpless victim on healthcare - Dec 2009 slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #47
Obama did NOT ditch the public option. He would have been happy to sign any public option pnwmom Mar 2012 #48
Since most of the provisions don't come into force will 2014 Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #111
Forcing people to buy public insurance would be just as objectionable treestar Mar 2012 #49
on the far right, yes Enrique Mar 2012 #55
Is there any poll to confirm this vast majority? treestar Mar 2012 #58
well, the concept of paying for Medicare I mean Enrique Mar 2012 #60
Hands off their medicare treestar Mar 2012 #73
Opposition the the mandate has held steady at 70%.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #80
Right, which is why so many people want to get rid of Medicare progressoid Mar 2012 #86
We DID NOT Have the Votes, We DO NOT Have the Votes, We WILL NOT Have the Votes Any Time Soon AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #57
Obama did not have 51 votes to pass legislation he opposed, a health care public option. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #69
Yup, it could have been a rider to the ACA Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #145
Well, thats the cover story, bvar22 Mar 2012 #104
I'm of the same era as you, and I am furious at the continuous Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #112
LBJ Had It Easy Compared to Today's Democrats AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #134
The White House could have CRUSHED Joe Lieberman anytime it wanted to. bvar22 Mar 2012 #139
How about ProSense Mar 2012 #68
As I recall, it was Loser Lieberman who wouldn't agree to let a Medicare buy-in NC_Nurse Mar 2012 #74
unfortunately, the author is right fascisthunter Mar 2012 #75
so you have an item worth 500 000 dollars and you need to sell it Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #102
that's your own hypothetical... why two million? Why not use a trillion as an example fascisthunter Mar 2012 #106
i chose 2 mill since that was a good equalent value in my mind when it comes to the likelyhood of Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #121
No matter what it would've gone to the SCOTUS. craigmatic Mar 2012 #83
The difference would have been that public option would have been more popular than mandate. HiPointDem Mar 2012 #88
Sorry, but I really do NOT see the difference in terms of legality karynnj Mar 2012 #93
50 Senate votes with the President of the Senate, Joe Biden, casting the tie breaker can pass it. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #95
While ProSense Mar 2012 #99
It is true that at before the 110th Congress started, the rules could have been changed - but they karynnj Mar 2012 #101
Actually fake Republican procedural "filibusters" can be ended at anytime as can Senate rules. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #120
You should ProSense Mar 2012 #123
Exactly, ProSense Mar 2012 #96
the difference is the "for profit" motive newspeak Mar 2012 #116
I agree that single payer is a far better alternative, but it is NOT the for profit motive that led karynnj Mar 2012 #119
and ironic that it's a RW Hertitage Foundation conception to begin with, G_j Mar 2012 #110
The people who can get "health care" could care less about others in society just1voice Mar 2012 #117
yes indeed, and I screamed about it at the time librechik Mar 2012 #122
Bullshit. Arkana Mar 2012 #127
And guess who killed it! Better Believe It Mar 2012 #131
meanwhile, back at the ranch newspeak Mar 2012 #141
And note that the Republicans get things done Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #147
No...he is in trouble because he couldn't call it a tax instead of a penalty. dkf Apr 2012 #146
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