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117. What are you talking about?

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:20 AM

Apr 2014

Forget the parables — address issues directly pls. I didn't say anything about "manufacture evidence" or "targeting" or "peeing".

You wrote "Cue the feigned outrage" about Snowden revealing details about international info gathering as if the story of info gathering on the domestic front was something entirely new. I reminded you it was not. I could have easily also used "cue the feigned outrage" as the PRISM story was, shockingly, shockingly, shockingly, only re-opened by Greenwald thru Snowden's "appropriated" documents. I didn't not, nor did I go into parables about tigers or urine or on unrelated tangents of black people being unfairly targeted.

Apparently you don't want to deal with the fact that Snowden went too far (the domestic revelations, as I said before, was a good thing) in coughing up details about his own country's international covert operations.

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For those that call Edward Snowden a Traitor [View all] Aerows Apr 2014 OP

I called Lt. Watada a Blue Falcon under Bush. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #1

Was there a point you were trying to make? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #118

Read the last sentence of my response again. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #119

I read it. I saw you state your OPINION. Not a surprising opinion btw, which has zero sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #121

Snowden is not a whistleblower. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #126

Unfortunately for your assessment of the situation, a majority of the American people say he IS a sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #127

I seriously doubt that. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #129

The Constitution which is STILL the law of this land, despite your distaste for it, as you sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #132

I didn't read beyond this blatantly false statement. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #133

Reading is essential. The Constitution also says that no one will be judged guilty sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #137

Snowden has not been judged guilty by the federal government MohRokTah Apr 2014 #138

Its obvious his mind is closed... Rockyj Apr 2014 #150

'We need to get rid of the Patriot Act'! Absolutely, I thought that was what we were doing sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #180

It is the Ouroboros Aerows Apr 2014 #183

As always, Sabrina Aerows Apr 2014 #164

Thank you Aerows, coming from you that means a lot. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #178

Keep the faith, my friend Aerows Apr 2014 #181

I will, you too! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #190

I do not see anything intelligent about collecting Rockyj Apr 2014 #145

You failed to read the post. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #147

No, that person read the post Aerows Apr 2014 #155

being baited and trolled is FUN! eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #156

Apparently since you like doing it. n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #158

being falsely accused is FUN! eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #159

eom went out with plonk n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #161

Fuck Comrade Eddy...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #2

Oh dear. Again with the "comrade" crap elias49 Apr 2014 #10

I don't think I've ever called him Comrade, until that dumbass thread yesterday... SidDithers Apr 2014 #11

It was dumb to you zeemike Apr 2014 #25

Comrade Snowden support is,,, Cryptoad Apr 2014 #80

Dream On billhicks76 Apr 2014 #81

"dropping like a rock!" zeemike Apr 2014 #82

'A majority of Americans view Snowden as a Whistle Blower' sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #131

By definition of Whistle Blower Cryptoad Apr 2014 #140

Not my proclamation, it is the proclamation of a Majority of the American People. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #142

No, it was just dumb. Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #124

That would help Snowden's reputation enormously. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #122

vaht? vasyou shaying shumthing, about comrades.. to meeee? dionysus Apr 2014 #143

Repeating the same ad hominem attack endlessly, but for what purpose? nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #19

The hominem attacks on both sides of this one. How many of the Snowden folliwers Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #46

Ah yes the "well they did it so we can do it." argument. If you hate Snowden, I get it. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #93

What is wrong with posting the facts, I read a lot about Clapper lying Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #98

Serious violations of the US Constitution have been exposed. Who is responsible for sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #128

You said it, I don't care about the messenger, as in Snowden. When he goes on trial bringing in the Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #134

Still nothing about the actual criminals. About the crimes committed by Bush's NSA sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #135

Our prisons are full of criminals, that is not what is in question here, if you want to say it is Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #136

Snowden is a Whistle Blower who has exposed serious violations of the Constitutional Rights of the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #139

Are you only listening to a portion of the people who post on this site to Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #152

The US Government has been conducting a massive program spying on the American people. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #125

Lol! zappaman Apr 2014 #83

If you are googling my name, the LOL is on you. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #95

If it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else probably. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #33

Another Disinfo Artist billhicks76 Apr 2014 #37

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Apr 2014 #38

One has to wonder why you have such an emotional investment in this. hootinholler Apr 2014 #68

yeah, considering.....nt grasswire Apr 2014 #188

You are becoming a parody on this topic! nt Logical Apr 2014 #115

SDS! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #120

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #148

they aren't mutually exclusive arely staircase Apr 2014 #3

It isn't the security state Aerows Apr 2014 #4

omfg nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #5

Yep. Aerows Apr 2014 #7

what does the S in NSA stand for? arely staircase Apr 2014 #8

It certainly isn't security Aerows Apr 2014 #12

good googly moogly nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #15

Exactly Aerows Apr 2014 #21

DU? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #22

I really can't interpret this Aerows Apr 2014 #99

LOL Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #13

you ALL are wasting your time "prosecuting" Snowden here grasswire Apr 2014 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #48

+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #61

Such Paulie Apr 2014 #89

More like sucks Aerows Apr 2014 #163

I think most DU'ers want the surveillance state reined in with more oversight etc. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #6

I don't think we need to revamp our concept of privacy Aerows Apr 2014 #9

We don't need to "revamp" anything. bvar22 Apr 2014 #72

And there is that Aerows Apr 2014 #90

+1000 Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #107

X 1000 Aerows Apr 2014 #110

And yet you totally discount the corporate infringement on our privacy which I mentioned. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #114

Corporations can only hire and fire us Aerows Apr 2014 #157

And one of the nuances is Snowden's . . . brush Apr 2014 #35

Cue the feigned outrage Aerows Apr 2014 #42

Yeah but now our enemies have details on how our international covert operations were run. brush Apr 2014 #55

Here is a rock Aerows Apr 2014 #57

You want proof about Snowden coughing up interational covert ops details? brush Apr 2014 #58

He gave too many covert leaks when Aerows Apr 2014 #66

Its not about peeing creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #69

Every single post anti-Snowden Aerows Apr 2014 #71

The NSA spies on our enemies creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #79

You said it correctly Aerows Apr 2014 #100

YAY!!! vlakitti Apr 2014 #70

And one more thing if you wanna go there. . . brush Apr 2014 #88

Depth and Breadth of the information gathering Aerows Apr 2014 #101

What are you talking about? brush Apr 2014 #117

that's called cognitive dissonance, not nuance. nashville_brook Apr 2014 #14

right because if I am glad he started a conversation on NSA phone data collection arely staircase Apr 2014 #16

wow, you apparently have deep surveillance state info that no one else has nashville_brook Apr 2014 #24

no. I just keep up with current events nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #32

If you kept up with current events Aerows Apr 2014 #45

Well, if you were arguing honestly Aerows Apr 2014 #28

uh he committed the crime in China by doing an interview with a paper there arely staircase Apr 2014 #34

Proof n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #40

here I put it in an OP so I don't have to keep doing people's homework for them arely staircase Apr 2014 #47

"Here is some more Aerows Apr 2014 #63

uh huh arely staircase Apr 2014 #64

Hey, let's play faulty sources Aerows Apr 2014 #166

so the interview is fake? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #167

RT? n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #168

what about it? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #169

OK. Aerows Apr 2014 #171

The proof is right here on DU. See link ... brush Apr 2014 #97

yes, proof please? grasswire Apr 2014 #50

he gave an interview to the newspaper. they make that up? all those quotes are false? arely staircase Apr 2014 #53

"I pulled it out of my butt Aerows Apr 2014 #54

Yes some are, but not those that disparage Snowden obsessively. Originally they denied there was rhett o rick Apr 2014 #23

fuck snowden arely staircase Apr 2014 #27

Snowden Is A Hero billhicks76 Apr 2014 #39

and yet here you are arely staircase Apr 2014 #49

I think he is the one Aerows Apr 2014 #77

Sounds like something someone in Jr. High might say. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #94

It's disingenuous. Aerows Apr 2014 #31

They choose to side with the authoritarian power. It makes them feel safe. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #96

It is a travesty Aerows Apr 2014 #103

I am afraid that many Americans have been raised to blindly follow authority. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #105

That bothers me Aerows Apr 2014 #112

Our children see a lot of authoritarianism as they grow. Parents, teachers, rhett o rick Apr 2014 #113

One of democracy's greatest traitor was Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #17

and by "snowden's not socrates" you mean he is 'totally socrates' arely staircase Apr 2014 #20

You really aren't good at things Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #43

Getting emotional Aerows Apr 2014 #51

you said he isn't then wrote a long post implying they were similar nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #52

+1 zeemike Apr 2014 #36

He has not been charged with treason treestar Apr 2014 #18

A very good topic and points. Though I wish Snowden (and wikileaks) would release everything. Sunlei Apr 2014 #26

All of the files obtained by Snowden have been handed over to Greenwald, Poitras et al. Maedhros Apr 2014 #56

you trust all those people with all those files? How do you know he didn't share with others? Sunlei Apr 2014 #60

SharePoint files Aerows Apr 2014 #62

I trust journalists more than I trust the Government when it comes to information regarding Maedhros Apr 2014 #92

Not just, Greenwald and Poitras. I don't trust Snowden on who he shared files with &who else got him Sunlei Apr 2014 #106

I trust those that make Aerows Apr 2014 #108

Of course you don't. Maedhros Apr 2014 #111

The only "evidence" they have Aerows Apr 2014 #170

It's the essence of propaganda. Maedhros Apr 2014 #173

Exactly Aerows Apr 2014 #174

I have a friend who describes himself as politically aware and an extreme Liberal - Maedhros Apr 2014 #175

That observation Aerows Apr 2014 #176

Oh, the NSA is wonderful. I hope they have a Happy Easter and find all of their hidden eggs. Lint Head Apr 2014 #29

Agreed. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #30

If they aren't collecting said surveillance information Aerows Apr 2014 #41

It is my belief that the NSA is collecting all this information to use in future prosecutions Maedhros Apr 2014 #59

There are building old fashion Hoover files on anyone who is anyone, or might be someone GoneFishin Apr 2014 #85

U.S.: Russia Withheld Intel on Boston Bomb Suspect sheshe2 Apr 2014 #151

Are you claiming that Russia didn't warn the US well before the bombings? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #177

Did you read it? Did you? sheshe2 Apr 2014 #179

So they were told of the danger, but not in the right words. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #182

You know what Manny... sheshe2 Apr 2014 #184

As I said, law enforcement might have done the right thing wrt Tsarnaev MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #185

The TRAITORS are the ones he exposed. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #65

It frightens me Aerows Apr 2014 #67

This is to be expected...... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #75

Actually, things have changed - A LOT! jazzimov Apr 2014 #73

"Traitor" isn't the right term. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #74

Don't worry, Aerows. When the next Rethug is elected president LittleBlue Apr 2014 #76

I tend to believe Aerows Apr 2014 #78

I Used To Fear Conservative Republicans... Now I Have To Worry About Conservative Democrats Too... WillyT Apr 2014 #84

Conservative Democrats are more troubling. At least when a Republican is trying to undermine GoneFishin Apr 2014 #86

Exactly... ConReps Will Attack You From The Front... ConDems Will Stab You In The Back... WillyT Apr 2014 #87

I fear people who label without having a clue Skidmore Apr 2014 #116

So what's the excuse for pulling the cover on legit foreign intelligence operations? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #91

What is your excuse Aerows Apr 2014 #102

I've long since denounced those Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #123

Wait ... Aerows Apr 2014 #144

Team sports. The same people who boycotted the Dixie Chicks say worse about Obama. cui bono Apr 2014 #104

Agreed. Aerows Apr 2014 #109

+1 Zorra Apr 2014 #130

Exists to make the world safer Aerows Apr 2014 #165

Snowden is not a traitor per US law, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #141

And you can't stand the fact Aerows Apr 2014 #154

Why do you suppose Snowden fans continue to look for reasons Progressive dog Apr 2014 #189

You know why Aerows Apr 2014 #191

Snowden is an accused criminal no matter who is in the White House and Progressive dog Apr 2014 #192

Kick Otelo Apr 2014 #146

Thank you! Aerows Apr 2014 #172

Edward Snowden is a trader.... penultimate Apr 2014 #149

i just don't understand the hate against Edward Snowden Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #153

Welcome to DU Aerows Apr 2014 #160

I want to reiterate something Aerows Apr 2014 #162

NSA and corrupt government, courts are the "traitors" ... Mondavi Apr 2014 #186

Americans seem to be ignorant of The Stasi State. Don't know why, it was drilled in our heads in 2banon Apr 2014 #187