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25. Ah, the folks who claim they know the future, same folks who said 2008 was going to be Hillary v

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 01:55 PM

Apr 2014

Rudy, with Hillary guaranteed the win. Hillary will not win a primary in this Party. She sure won't win Oregon anymore than she did last time. Sliming other potential candidates will not persuade anyone to vote for her. Among other things, I'm sick of the politicians who voted for Iraq War but could not quite manage to support marriage equality until it was uber safe to do so. Cowards who often slandered my community need to just go home. She is the past.

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Warren repeats she's 'not running for president' [View all] Beacool Apr 2014 OP

I believe her. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #1

I believe her too. Beacool Apr 2014 #12

I believe her too. I don't think she'll start running for another 18 months or so. Scuba Apr 2014 #2

I like the way you think. bunnies Apr 2014 #28

Me too. Aerows Apr 2014 #147

I'll rule that out when she adds Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #29

Run, Bernie, run. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #3

He'd have to join a party first. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #5

No, he doesn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #7

Specifically, he'd have to join the Democratic Party to fit within DU's TOS for promotion. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #10

Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. But, people will support and vote for him either way. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #18

No he won't if he were going to change affiliation he would have done it by now... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #33

Or, should we toss a good candidate under the bus because he's not a Democrat? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #62

We don't toss him....DU can never promote him unless he is a Democrat....per the VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #69

So? If Hillary changes her affiliation to Independent, will supporting her be naughty? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #76

hahahahahahaahahqahahahahahah VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #78

And, your answer is? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #86

That's theoretical....no response required... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #88

So is Hillary's candidacy...theoretical. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #89

Hillary Clinton running as an Independent is beyond theoretical....that delusional! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #90

Probably. I'm just trying to figure out if you will vote for a brand no matter what? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #93

I vote for whomever wins the Primary....simple as THAT. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #97

Thank you. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #99

My party affiliation is not hypothetical...its a fact. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #102

So is mine. I'm a Democrat. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #107

That's fine, but afaik Adrahil Apr 2014 #150

Just a thought, DU's TOS for promotion were inspired by Ralph Nader... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #119

Tierra, Bernie is not electable in this country. Beacool Apr 2014 #13

Because he's a good man and a socialist are compelling reasons to vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #20

You may feel that way, but the majority of people would not in a general election. Beacool Apr 2014 #22

no, that is how people come to believe the "undetectable" meme G_j Apr 2014 #24

Ah, the folks who claim they know the future, same folks who said 2008 was going to be Hillary v Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #25

No one is sliming anyone. Beacool Apr 2014 #57

Let me ask you something, Beacool... What if Hillary decides she would rather be home with ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #67

Or, if Hillary were to change her registration to Independent and run on the same platform? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #72

Considering her record, if she moved to Independent, I would consider that a move to the right ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #77

Would you consider that being loyal to a brand rather than principles? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #83

I would consider such a move "stupid". nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #85

Do you consider her voting for the Iraq Way "stupid"? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #87

That she was gullible enough (or possessed an agenda) is precisely why I'm not ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #91

Well, let's just say I'm chomping at the bit even less than you are. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #94

Who will you support if she is not the nominee? EDITED: ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #98

That would depend on the nominee. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #103

Well, we agree on Hillary for the same reasons. Until there's a viable alternative, the Democratic ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #105

The comment was in reference to Bernie Sanders, not Warren. Beacool Apr 2014 #114

Oh, well. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #63

Not a "Democratic Underground". VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #34

Oh, well. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #64

Indeed... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #68

Perhaps advocating third-party candidates should be alerted? What do you think? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #73

I don't know....I rarely to never alert myself..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #75

You "rarely to never" alert... Good for you! ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #79

Alerting wasn't my idea now was it? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #82

It's not election season. Chill. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #115

DU TOS doesn't specify that it's in effect only during election season. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #124

Well, if you'd like to alert on someone for discussing the possible candidacy of someone winter is coming Apr 2014 #126

I have no reason for such a stupid alert. Also, nowhere did I say that it would be me alerting, only ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #130

You were just wondering out loud. Riiiiiight. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #131

Riiiiiight. As a matter of fact, I was. Now what? Also, I find ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #132

That's lovely, and pretty much irrelevant. Adrahil Apr 2014 #151

D'accord. I'm tired of being force-fed pre-ordained centrists. marmar Apr 2014 #19

Direct. Again. Anyone who thinks she's lying is kidding themselves. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #4

I think so too. Beacool Apr 2014 #14

This wonderful woman will do what the great man who once held this seat did - hold the position jwirr Apr 2014 #6

Of course Ted primaried a sitting Democratic President as well. Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #27

If Nader gave us Bush, then Teddy gave us Reagan. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #32

He was a DEMOCRAT primarying a Democrat....much different. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #35

He was a raging coked-up alcoholic with a cheating problem and a marriage on the rocks when he did MADem Apr 2014 #110

Bummer. k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Apr 2014 #8

Don't be, she will continue to be a positive influence for years to come. Beacool Apr 2014 #16

You're being very kind, and I appreciate it. Laelth Apr 2014 #46

I think that both Elizabeth and Hillary are good women. Beacool Apr 2014 #56

I would prefer that she did ... Trajan Apr 2014 #9

Keep playing offense from the Senate instead of becoming a professional fundraiser BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #11

Yep. Lucinda Apr 2014 #15

I think that Ted Kennedy did quite well in the seat she now holds. Beacool Apr 2014 #17

She's already a professional fundraiser, one of the best in the Democratic Party Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #138

Yeah, well, ok...I left out, "full-time" BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #145

As of right this moment she's not running. Her "definitive" statement does not say ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #21

She's not Obama. Beacool Apr 2014 #23

But she's a politician and as the other poster said they all say 'I won't' until they say 'I am'. Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #31

She has also put her support behind Hillary Clinton....but I am sure you are going to dismiss VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #36

Of course she has. Because she has not yet decided to run herself. I, for one, intend ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #41

No because the Women of the Senate have all signed a Letter encouraging Hillary to run. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

Oh, you are so wrong. I don't dismiss her words at all. Indeed, I take them quite literally. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #81

Whatevs.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #84

Don't care, the future of the country and the world is the discussion how to make that future viable TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #146

The prophets engage in Biblical literalism as they parse her meaning for anything other than the obv LanternWaste Apr 2014 #111

You're right. See my post #45. She very clearly left out "IN 2016" in her response. Dawgs Apr 2014 #47

You would think that DUers would understand that. Which begs a question... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #52

Exactly. No doubt there are a few Hillary supporters that don't want to believe it. n/t Dawgs Apr 2014 #55

The fact is, she is not running for president. She is currently BEING U.S. Senator from MA. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #60

Too late for me to join this party? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #26

Hi, Cali. Beacool Apr 2014 #43

and something for you... dionysus Apr 2014 #80

A lamb bankie!!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #117

anything for you, Bea. dionysus Apr 2014 #148

Ahhhhhh, so sweet. Beacool Apr 2014 #152

I'll believe her "no" after we know Hillary's intentions. karadax Apr 2014 #30

Hillary is going to run.....you might as well get used to that idea.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #37

Neither is Hillary. Until she is. closeupready Apr 2014 #38

No, Hillary has been saying of late that she's thinking about it. Beacool Apr 2014 #44

You are stating Hillary's strategy while essentially denying that Warren has one of her own. As ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #71

Warren's strategy seems to be in people's imagination. Beacool Apr 2014 #118

Your entire post is wrong. So I wont bother to continue this circular debate with you. ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #121

OK, time will tell............ Beacool Apr 2014 #123

She will be in the debates. Bookmark it! And... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #125

Oh, that sounds like such a sacrifice. Beacool Apr 2014 #153

One of her main appeals is that she means what she says...She says she's not running Rowdyboy Apr 2014 #39

She isn't running. At this moment, she is not running. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #42

If Hillary loses, Warren will be the clear 2020 frontrunner. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #40

Why would it be weird? Beacool Apr 2014 #48

She IS running for President Dawgs Apr 2014 #45

LOL!! Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #49

Did you watch her on "Sunday Morning" or are you getting nervous? Dawgs Apr 2014 #53

The question is: HOW confident are you that she'll run? brooklynite Apr 2014 #59

If Warren doesn't run I'll support Bernie, who will be running. Dawgs Apr 2014 #61

Out of curiosity, would you consider Brian Schweitzer? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #136

Seems like a good guy, but not what we need right now. n/t Dawgs Apr 2014 #156

Seriously? Beacool Apr 2014 #50

Agree. I might be wrong. Dawgs Apr 2014 #58

I think more realistically she hasn't ruled it out, I don't think she's decided she's running Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #129

That's a shame. IronGate Apr 2014 #51

Of course not, she would not go back on her pledge. joshcryer Apr 2014 #54

I believe this as much DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #65

I believe her which is why we need to find another progressive to run a viable campaign in 2016 Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #66

There you go, posing a problem, laying it right out there yourself, without so much as a ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #104

The time for this was a year ago: joshcryer Apr 2014 #149

I don't know whether or not it is possible to defeat Wall Street power and its candidates even Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #154

The problem will be ability to raise funding. joshcryer Apr 2014 #155

I Agree that the biggest problem for the authentically progressive is to raise enough funds to be Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #157

She sure as hell should Aerows Apr 2014 #70

Would love the chance to have her in our primary. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #92

Bookmark this: Warren will be in the debates. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #95

I hope so. Love EW. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #100

Can you imagine the debates with her in the mix? Not only would the other candidates have to ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #101

I think it is EW who will have to up her game, and she will do so successfully. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #106

Fair points. She will excel, indeed, at whatever she does. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #109

I'd personally much rather see her as Fed chair. Initech Apr 2014 #96

I think she's running for FED CHAIR. MADem Apr 2014 #108

Same as I have been saying. Beacool Apr 2014 #120

I think running for Senate killed any chance of her as Fed Chair Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #134

Fed Chairs--up until recently--haven't been women, either. MADem Apr 2014 #143

There is a lot of delusion in this thread... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #112

She did not say she was "not going to run", only that she is "not running"... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #122

Translation.. get over it and focus on things that are a real and present danger... DCBob Apr 2014 #113

Because the best way to get people's minds off 2016 is to talk about it. winter is coming Apr 2014 #116

She only says that because she is really running treestar Apr 2014 #127

But people have "Warren 2016" sig lines... SidDithers Apr 2014 #128

What about it? ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #133

We can switch them to "Stop Hillary" at some point. nt Logical Apr 2014 #139

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I don't know who that is, but I seriously doubt it. arcane1 Apr 2014 #137

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It's not as though she suddenly changed her mind. arcane1 Apr 2014 #141

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Well how bout SCOTUS, RBG's spot? lonestarnot Apr 2014 #144

Still not voting for Hillary. Sorry. nt Romulox Apr 2014 #158

I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. Beacool Apr 2014 #159

At this point, who heads the ticket in 2016 is irrelevant Skidmore Apr 2014 #160

If thats what she wants then so be it. William769 Apr 2014 #161

So tragic. Hopefully Bernie will run. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #162