General Discussion

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)

81. I'd like to believe you're right.

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 09:14 AM

Apr 2014

Last edited Tue Apr 22, 2014, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1)

But frankly, I don't see putting the decision off til after the elections as indicating anything about the actual fate of the decision, merely a political decision based upon how he and his advisors see the various elections shaping up.

Not having decided beforehand lets him avoid all sorts of political pitfalls, and allows the RW of the Dem party to keep talking up how they're pressing him to decide in favour of it to boost their own re-election chances, and helps the LWers of the party not to lose votes from people skipping the elections if he were to decide in favour of it in advance of elections.

No matter what he decides, some large chunk of the party is going to be upset, so really, again, all it tells me is that he'd rather make that section upset after the midterms, and with a full two years until the next Presidentials.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

135 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

I guess we can take the "He supports the XL" ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 OP

Now if we can just getting to do something about Fracking� Champion Jack Apr 2014 #1

LOL. And if he stopped fracking what would your reply be? NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #2

Easy...."still not enough" of course! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #3

You bet treestar Apr 2014 #7

Vivid imagery treestar! Perfect example! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #8

Ha Ha~ sheshe2 Apr 2014 #19

The ODS people would simply move the goal posts LordGlenconner Apr 2014 #61

Now if Obama could just stop being Obama...nt kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #74

Funny how you take Puglover Apr 2014 #4

Funny how recognizing that President Obama is doing something positive ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #24

Thanks. Puglover Apr 2014 #30

A hollow gesture at best. He didn't edit it out. Autumn Apr 2014 #34

Hi Autumn. Puglover Apr 2014 #37

A nice attempt. Yes Spring is here and I'm finally getting to work Autumn Apr 2014 #39

Sorry my striking the statement doesn't meet your approval. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #38

That does seem problematic, IMHO(even if that wasn't the intention). AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #118

Chuck a rock ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #129

We have a lot of Obama haters here madokie Apr 2014 #5

LOL. Waiting to make a tough decision 'til after an election proves what now? nt Romulox Apr 2014 #6

because THAT is how important the Mid-Terms are.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #9

It means he doesn't want the party to suffer in the midterms. Arkana Apr 2014 #11

YEP Arkana...its called playing "Defense" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #12

Two things in this world that you never want to let people see how they're made: Arkana Apr 2014 #13

Exactly.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #15

Funny Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #49

It means it doesn't mean anything like what the OP is claiming. Romulox Apr 2014 #14

ahahahahahahahaha you still underestimate President Obama VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #16

Now wait jsut a dmned minute...he's been facing obstructionsim from the LEFT?? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #55

attacks from the left..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #59

Your post said 'against the obstructionism and attacks from the Left' truebrit71 Apr 2014 #86

Ratfucking isn't holding anyone to account. And if you think ratfucking isn't part of the dynamic msanthrope Apr 2014 #100

No, because if he wanted it he'd have approved it. Arkana Apr 2014 #17

OK. But none of that proves that Obama doesn't approve the pipeline. Just that he thinks it is a Romulox Apr 2014 #18

Seems as though both you and the OP have different interpretations on what the move means... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #27

Only one of us is claiming to have "proof" of something, though. nt Romulox Apr 2014 #31

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #33

It's just how "supporting one's argument" works. Sorry. nt Romulox Apr 2014 #40

I haven't seen you prove anything in this thread other than you have a snotty attitude davidpdx Apr 2014 #71

*I* didn't start an OP making a silly claim. That's how all of this works, I'm afraid. Romulox Apr 2014 #83

You mean blaming others davidpdx Apr 2014 #85

not approving the pipeline is the political risky choice arely staircase Apr 2014 #51

That's ludicrous. The pipeline is incredibly unpopular with the rank and file. nt Romulox Apr 2014 #84

Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #93

but more popular than not with run of the mill voters arely staircase Apr 2014 #132

Tell us ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #32

OK. But none of that proves Keystone XL is dead. nt Romulox Apr 2014 #41

Precisely - There. Has. Been. No. Decision. hatrack Apr 2014 #130

There's a small group of disruptors JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #10

Sure, becauase delaying a decision shows such leadership... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #57

Here JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #63

I obviously broke a community norm, here ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #66

I could care less if someone wants to call me that! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #68

I get your sentiment ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #70

And time and again JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #75

Its "Obama's gonna cut social security" all over again. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #69

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #72

Which he never did! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #76

The funny thing is ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #79

Yes sir! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #80

..maybe because he's said repeatedly that it IS on the table... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #87

If so, Social Security and Medicare would have been gutted already. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #89

Not sure about the 'hair on fire club'... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #92

The items you list ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #94

I don't have a crystal ball...but apparently you do... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #96

You think the GOP was going to vote for the ACA????? JoePhilly Apr 2014 #99

It passed with almost no republican votes as it was, right? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #101

SO you can't explain how you get a better deal. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #103

You like the taste of shit sandwiches...I get that... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #104

Amazing display, truly. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #105

Silliness ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #65

The 'hero-worship' comment was made in reference to the tone of the OP truebrit71 Apr 2014 #88

I call BS ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #91

You can call it what you want mate... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #95

So is this where you cover your ears ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #98

It denotes that it's still there..an edit would have removed the attack in its entirety, mate... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #102

Do you actually read ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #106

...you can tell if someone's lying about their edits in the edit function... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #107

Or, the poster can be transparent in their edits ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #109

Post the link where Keystone is officially dead, then you get to claim "mission accomplished" pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #20

Exactly. It's not "off the list" by any means -- until it's actually killed. It's just not happening villager Apr 2014 #26

the problem is... this stopage is a procedural courtesy for one municipality pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #62

Really? What about ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #67

Landrieu? lol pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #133

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #134

Wrong - Pouring money into oil rich conservatives is only hurting young bright population pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #135

He could have killed it right after the 2012 elections. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #21

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #35

That he'll play both sides for as long as he can. Tells me nothing about which way winter is coming Apr 2014 #44

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #45

That's a strong argument for having killed it right after the 2012 win. winter is coming Apr 2014 #46

So we should have ensured we struggle in 2014 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #47

There will be pressure to finish construction, i.e., with so much of it done, why not finish? winter is coming Apr 2014 #50

There already is pressure to finish construction ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #54

Then we'll struggle in 2016. There is an election every two years and usually governors in between TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #110

Doesn't that suggest that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #112

I didn't say you didn't have a reasonable guess. My problem is the FACT assertion TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #126

Why do I need to get fired up to push 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #127

I understand. I don't do faith in politics and think it is pretty clear that monied interests TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #131

'Guess' is the operative word here muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #22

"Funny how the gop can see this but DUers, can't." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #23

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #36

Bookmarking. Just to see how right you and your gop will be after the elections. Autumn Apr 2014 #25

I don't see how this means he's gonna kill it? marions ghost Apr 2014 #28

we don't know G_j Apr 2014 #29

It could also be a political fundraising tactic. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #42

Can we get that in writing? Or, even a speech? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #43

On the pending list as it was yesterday and last year and the year before that. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #48

I'm happy that he hasn't approved it yet tularetom Apr 2014 #52

Umm...no...it means he's playing politics... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #53

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #56

Umm...because he wanted to get re-elected... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #58

Amen. nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #77

This is a great example of why so many people are so frustrated with the Democratic Party. Maedhros Apr 2014 #60

I hope so, 1STrong! Cha Apr 2014 #64

Many on DU have screamed at the fact that Obama delayed and didn't kill the pipeline, davidpdx Apr 2014 #73

I still think it will be approved. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #78

I'd like to believe you're right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #81

In many, many past elections more conservative DUers claimed that 'if candidate X Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #82

I think postponing it until after the election means he'll approve it. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #90

Because Killing the XL Pipeline ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #97

Bookmarked. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #108

Please do. Thanks. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #116

Why didn't he do that after 2012 elections? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #111

Because the political landscape indicated ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #114

Seems like an excuse. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #122

Of course it would ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #123

Excuses are not a legitimacy for anything. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #124

I'll repeat ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #125

Bookmarking U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #113

Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #117

You seem a little defensive. U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #119

Defensive???? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #121

It seems that way to me too. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #115

And I suspect Landrieu is in on the plan ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #120

LOL TransitJohn Apr 2014 #128