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kpete

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Tue Apr 22, 2014, 09:41 AM Apr 2014

I-Team: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny (It seems that his claims are all lies) [View all]

I-Team: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny


One of our local news stations, the local CBS affiliate, is known for it's investigative journalism and has won many awards for it. So they decided to check out everyone's favorite traitor and his claims, and what they found was interesting.... It seems that all of his claims are apparently lies. He claims that his family has been using the land since the 1870s, from which his erroneous claims derive. His family actually bought the ranch in 1948, provably, and didn't get cattle until the 1950s. And they bought the water rights to their own property but no grazing rights to the Federal land. Imagine that. And kudos to channel 8, KLAS tv, for doing some good journalism. So good to see these days. I wonder if this will finally make the derps squatting in my state fantasizing about violence finally slink homeward?


Posted: Apr 21, 2014 2:25 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 21, 2014 5:56 PM PDT
By Nathan Baca, Investigative Reporter

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"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.

Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.

The Bureau of Land Management was created 1946, the same year Cliven was born.


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MUCH MORE:
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/21/1293671/-Breaking-news-on-Bundy-Ranch

AND HERE TOO:
An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history
Posted: Apr 21, 2014 3:36 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 21, 2014 6:47 PM PDT
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25302186/an-abbreviated-look-at-rancher-cliven-bundys-family-history




UPDATED TO ADD:

I had written a reporter at KLAS -8newsnow
questioning why the station wasn't doing more to expose Bundy's lies and my concern about the militias. We shared several emails, this was his last one.
For his safety, I omitted his name and initials.

From: (reporter)
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:31 PM
To: Me
Subject: Re: need info

I got to work today and talked to my bosses, and I think the misinformation has reached the point where we have no choice but to respond to it. In one sense, we don't like doing this because it encourages more crapola. If the nutballs know that they can get TV time by creating false rumors on the internet, it is an invitation to trouble for my profession. That said, there are exceptions to every rule, and in this instance, we have reached a tipping point where the misinformation being spread has overwhelmed the facts.

In other words, you were right from the beginning, and we are going to jump into this with both feet over the next few days, but without trying to further enrage the heavily armed fringe groups for whom no amount of factual info will make one bit of difference.
It's a fine line.

Thanks for reaching out to me

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1293671/53216524#c117
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I simply can't believe that this noble freedom fighter would distort the truth! Orrex Apr 2014 #1
Those righties never lie. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #27
what a surprise another right-wing liar leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #2
They have no honor... StarryNite Apr 2014 #32
Even if his family had moved there in the 1870s... HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #3
Unfortunately, to your "squatting derps", facts are irrelevant. CanonRay Apr 2014 #4
FEMALE martyrs, remember DiverDave Apr 2014 #25
Bwaaaaaaaah hahahahhaa malaise Apr 2014 #5
"Beneficial Use?" prommie Apr 2014 #6
Beneficial use to him. tclambert Apr 2014 #7
it sure as hell druidity33 Apr 2014 #48
Off topic but about Bundy kimbutgar Apr 2014 #8
It's also the 2naSalit Apr 2014 #13
I am shocked that Clive Bundy would lie about this! yellowcanine Apr 2014 #9
Don't let the truth get in the way dem in texas Apr 2014 #10
All the more reason 2naSalit Apr 2014 #12
It must have been a dream come true meadowlark5 Apr 2014 #15
Other Aspects Are In Question Too DallasNE Apr 2014 #11
What?!?!? You mean to tell me the thief is also a liar? Iggo Apr 2014 #14
One thing I have asked repeatedly and got no answer .... madmom Apr 2014 #16
Subsidies urbanhermit Apr 2014 #36
Yes. Federal grazing fees are FAR below market rates. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #46
I have the perfect solution. Nine Apr 2014 #61
Makes sense. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #63
Ha! mac56 Apr 2014 #17
Tommy Flanagan! riqster Apr 2014 #41
These right wing bastards never cease to amaze me with how corrupt they are... Theyletmeeatcake2 Apr 2014 #18
Awesome work Tsiyu Apr 2014 #19
Yeah, but the 1950s are SACRED to Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #20
No Surprise at All Leith Apr 2014 #21
1877, 1954... Years are just numbers, man! nyquil_man Apr 2014 #22
But, but, but is was told right here nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #23
Surprise surprise Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #24
It is Shoshone land d_r Apr 2014 #26
Did his father pay grazing fees after he started using this land? surrealAmerican Apr 2014 #28
Actually... WinstonSmith4740 Apr 2014 #34
Maybe his 'forefathers' were moochers, too. louis-t Apr 2014 #29
this land is your land; this land is my land; this land is Bundy's land ... napkinz Apr 2014 #30
napkinz kpete Apr 2014 #43
you're welcome kpete napkinz Apr 2014 #45
Yes!!! Wellstone ruled Apr 2014 #31
waitaminute, he wants collective family usufruct of a commons AND private, personal property? MisterP Apr 2014 #33
WELL WHERE'S OBUMMER'S COLLEGE RECORDS, BIRTH CERTIFICATE, BENGHAZI EMAILS... alp227 Apr 2014 #35
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #37
I am happily surprised that a news organization actually did the research. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #38
And to think... StarryNite Apr 2014 #39
Here's a solution: He grazes his beef on our land and then sells his product at a deep discount... DesertDiamond Apr 2014 #40
This thug is thief and must be treated as such! Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #42
He belongs to the "pretend" bunch...those that glinda Apr 2014 #44
He is a taker nt XRubicon Apr 2014 #47
Props to everyone exposing bundy lies! Cha Apr 2014 #49
A friend of mine in Vegas told me about this story as well. Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #50
, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #51
He is the teabaggers own welfare queen! workinclasszero Apr 2014 #52
Shocked 7wo7rees Apr 2014 #53
Reminds me of various Republican anti-IRS hearings... JHB Apr 2014 #54
Wait...an examination of the title to the property revealed the truth???!!! flvegan Apr 2014 #55
If information comes from the right you can count on it being a lie. Kablooie Apr 2014 #56
They've figured out telling the truth does not work for them... Theyletmeeatcake2 Apr 2014 #57
Im not sure this clears up anything Elmergantry Apr 2014 #58
In one sense you're correct. Nine Apr 2014 #62
Yes I agree but Elmergantry Apr 2014 #64
By the Kochs. Madmiddle Apr 2014 #59
You can call them trolls if they aren't DU members. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #65
Repubs make it up as they go along. Baitball Blogger Apr 2014 #60
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