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bvar22

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146. The same thing happened with Daniel Ellsberg.

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:06 PM

Apr 2014

He was initially demonized by Conservatives and Authoritarians as a traitor.
They were on the WRONG side of History,
just as those who demonize Snowden are on the WRONG side of History today.

At least some have sufficient Ego Strength to admit they initially made a mistake in judging Snowden a traitor.
History will prove Snowden and Greenwald to be heroes of Democracy and Government accountable to The People.
The Pulitzer for Public Service will go a long way to confirming their role in History.

*Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.

*Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.

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Snowden is a hero [View all] Harmony Blue Apr 2014 OP

Now you did it DJ13 Apr 2014 #1

100% Agreed billhicks76 Apr 2014 #87

Do not agree brush Apr 2014 #97

If you were at all aware of what happened to all the other Whistle Blowers before him who sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #100

IMO Snowden was a naive computer geek . . . brush Apr 2014 #117

Thank you, Sabrina 1. vlakitti Apr 2014 #127

Very well said, vlakitti -- I agree. pacalo Apr 2014 #131

It's amazing that there are a few, very loud, people who don't get that MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #2

especially to Democrats. nt grasswire Apr 2014 #4

"Democrats" don't hype Putin, and ProSense Apr 2014 #6

Democrats dont hate whistle-blowers. Democrats dont obsess over rhett o rick Apr 2014 #34

Democrats ProSense Apr 2014 #36

Well you agree with Glen Beck, Sara Palin and Lindsey Graeme on this zeemike Apr 2014 #49

I agree that ProSense Apr 2014 #50

Hey, Snowden is Putin's hero as long as Snowden is Putin's patsy. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #55

Well I don't believe that it was a screw up zeemike Apr 2014 #61

It didn't take a "TV" to see that this was an embarrassing event. ProSense Apr 2014 #67

Who is they? zeemike Apr 2014 #69

"They" ProSense Apr 2014 #70

So if I am an "ally" of his I have to agree it was a mistake? zeemike Apr 2014 #74

What? ProSense Apr 2014 #75

What his lawyer said was... zeemike Apr 2014 #78

Wrong ProSense Apr 2014 #93

Right, like Al Gore suggested he invented the internet. zeemike Apr 2014 #118

I dont give a crap about what he does. He can do a terrible job on dancing with the rhett o rick Apr 2014 #92

Another ProSense Apr 2014 #94

And another distortion. I think that the obsession rhett o rick Apr 2014 #102

Nope, ProSense Apr 2014 #104

Democrats don't change their views on the principles they espoused as soon as there is a change sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #144

Together, Putin and Snowden... nikto Apr 2014 #111

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #13

Because fundamentally all humans fall into two categories Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #25

Quite a few ProSense Apr 2014 #3

Post the one with millenials Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #5

The one in which ProSense Apr 2014 #8

57% support of Snowden! Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #10

That the number that states it was a public service; They split evenly on prosecution ProSense Apr 2014 #19

A split is a postive thing Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #24

LOL! n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #27

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #32

Lol! neverforget Apr 2014 #128

That survey is from JANUARY. grasswire Apr 2014 #7

LOL! The Pew article is from last week, and mentions the survey. ProSense Apr 2014 #11

copying your post here for the record. grasswire Apr 2014 #20

LOL! Good job. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #21

This is the most dishonest post I've seen you make. grasswire Apr 2014 #12

Stop panicking. Pew: NSA coverage wins Pulitzer, but Americans remain divided on Snowden leaks ProSense Apr 2014 #16

Hey, ProSense Apr 2014 #23

whatever you want to call him G_j Apr 2014 #96

"The world is better off" because he played Putin's tool? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #98

quite frankly G_j Apr 2014 #133

No, he's a criminal. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #9

Explain Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #15

Your mind is made up. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #18

So I suppose you have made up your mind as well Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #26

Snowden lied, big time. Not a hero in my book uhnope Apr 2014 #14

If they lied why would the U.S. government Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #17

The Dana Priest piece is the final truth? elias49 Apr 2014 #28

Gimme me break. Here are Snowden's claims. They are still BS now like they were when he made them: uhnope Apr 2014 #89

LOL, the dailykos article is ill-informed. Vattel Apr 2014 #31

This is old news from August 9/2012. Much has been released since then and KoKo Apr 2014 #43

It was August 9th 2013..what's been released since then? nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #130

I heard someone say that if a guy steals you TV....but in the process... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #29

He deserves a medal... SidDithers Apr 2014 #30

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #33

What should he have done instead? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #35

Good post Harmony Blue Apr 2014 #40

Can every man of color in the US have the same excuse about Channels being closed? FUCK NO... uponit7771 Apr 2014 #122

Whistleblower protections are very weak BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #125

Again, men of color in the US can say the same thing but not get the benefit of the doubt that is uponit7771 Apr 2014 #126

I think so, as well n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #37

I thought it was not about Eddie treestar Apr 2014 #38

Those pesky details no one mentions! nt babylonsister Apr 2014 #39

No Proof That Anything Was Divulged To The South China Post - Already Debunked cantbeserious Apr 2014 #42

Not accurate ProSense Apr 2014 #62

Already Debunked cantbeserious Apr 2014 #73

Link to piece that "debunked" Snowden's own words? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #77

No Proof That Anything Was Divulged To The South China Post - Already Debunked cantbeserious Apr 2014 #79

You clearly have no link. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #80

You Clearly Have Not Read All The Posts At DU cantbeserious Apr 2014 #88

Like 99.989% of all humans on Earth haven't done that, don't see what that proves and you've. uponit7771 Apr 2014 #120

Your Responsibility To Keep Abreast Of Information cantbeserious Apr 2014 #132

What you're saying is false, your responsibility to stay accurate uponit7771 Apr 2014 #143

Not My Responsibility To Sort Through The False Claims Made By Others cantbeserious Apr 2014 #145

"You Clearly Have Not Read All The Posts At DU" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #138

Personal Denigration - One Of The Logical Fallacies cantbeserious Apr 2014 #140

Here NCTraveler Apr 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author wendylaroux Apr 2014 #153

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2014 #119

Thank You Snowden - Thank You Greenwald - Please Keep Up The Good Work cantbeserious Apr 2014 #41

Absolutely. Pulitzer Prize and Polk Award. Highest levels in Journalism... KoKo Apr 2014 #46

Charles Krauthammer, Kathleen Parker, George Will ProSense Apr 2014 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Apr 2014 #44

"idiots who hate Snowden" You're being too kind. L0oniX Apr 2014 #51

True. You might get some clueless ones on the jury. nt Logical Apr 2014 #53

What's more ProSense Apr 2014 #56

It bothers you all of the sudden your hero decided to discuss NSA abuses. I love it! And watching... Logical Apr 2014 #60

LOL! ProSense Apr 2014 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #137

So did Ted Bundy Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #57

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #58

Some has difficulty understanding, eh? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #65

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2014 #121

I thought it wasn't about Snowden? Pick a f*cking lane people. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #45

The worship of this guy around here is just plain bizarre. BlueStater Apr 2014 #47

What is more bizarre zeemike Apr 2014 #59

What bill of rights has been thrown out? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #68

The forth amendment. zeemike Apr 2014 #71

What about the probable cause, you have to take the entire Fourth Amendment. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #72

What about probable cause? zeemike Apr 2014 #76

Businesses are also subject to warrants. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #83

Yes for documents about their business zeemike Apr 2014 #86

You missed, wrong, the records belongs to the companies. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #123

And the probable cause is? zeemike Apr 2014 #124

There has been groups located through call patterns so there is Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #135

Sure. And I guess Obama is Repub lite, huh? Are all white people "privileged", too? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #52

I must be the only one who just doesn't care about him Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #54

sounds like a ground swell. mt arely staircase Apr 2014 #64

k/r 840high Apr 2014 #66

Damn right he is. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #81

They Just Can't Deal With It... What If He Wins The Nobel ??? WillyT Apr 2014 #82

Snowden could have been a hero. nt greyl Apr 2014 #84

A hero to Putin and his boys. BenzoDia Apr 2014 #85

He is Aerows Apr 2014 #90

Chicken Little is a hero because a drop of rain fell after he said the sky was falling uhnope Apr 2014 #91

Not even a club sandwich. N/t zappaman Apr 2014 #95

He's got more bacon Aerows Apr 2014 #99

Nah, it's cheese he's loaded on. zappaman Apr 2014 #101

More guts than you Aerows Apr 2014 #103

Lol. zappaman Apr 2014 #105

I'm still here. Aerows Apr 2014 #106

As much of a jab as yours was I suppose. zappaman Apr 2014 #107

No, that was a personal attack Aerows Apr 2014 #109

Lol. zappaman Apr 2014 #110

Oh my Aerows Apr 2014 #114

Lol. zappaman Apr 2014 #116

By the way zappaman Apr 2014 #108

I know Aerows Apr 2014 #112

I knew that? zappaman Apr 2014 #113

A hero to some, a nightmare to others Dragonfli Apr 2014 #115

A hero for the Tea Party. . B Calm Apr 2014 #134

A hero for anyone who does not like their rights trampled on. dilby Apr 2014 #141

YAWN B Calm Apr 2014 #149

If it was not wrong why not just admit to it in the begining. dilby Apr 2014 #150

obviously there was a benefit for some. grasswire Apr 2014 #155

Extremely flawed people can be heroic. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #136

Snowden's an asshole, but he did what had to be done. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #139

The same thing happened with Daniel Ellsberg. bvar22 Apr 2014 #146

Snowden is an accused felon who fled to Russia Progressive dog Apr 2014 #147

I think he's a wonderful topic for column inches in the gossip section of a daily rag... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #148

Listen folks.,The issue is complicated, really mylye2222 Apr 2014 #151

Bears repeating. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #152

indeed nt grasswire Apr 2014 #154