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Victor_c3

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68. I think I had this argument with you a few weeks back

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:49 PM

Apr 2014

I thoroughly believe that any "democrat" that voted or ever supported that war should have their careers ended. They voted for the war resolution because they feared it would be political suicide to do otherwise. They were quick to discard their morals (if they had any) to rush us into a completely foreseeable disaster.

Yes, 12 years and some of us don't forget it. I realize I wasn't drafted and my stupid naive ass signed up for the Army, but I joined the Army in 1997 well before any of this was on the radar. By the time 2002 rolled around, I had 4 years left of my military commitment. I was 17 when I joined and I was completely gullible to believe this, but I thought that we learned our lessons from our previous military adventures. I saw the various US military involvements in the 90s as justified and as examples of us making the world a better place with our military might. I joined the Army to stop genocide and murder, not to spread it. Between Feb 2004 and March 2005 I served in Iraq as an Infantry Platoon Leader and I saw and inflicted first hand war on those people and their country. "Sorry" doesn't even begin to describe how I feel.

In the course of the year my platoon was responsible for killing 46 people and wounding the best part of 100 that I know of. My experiences were very typical among the other platoon leaders I served with at the time.

Through nightmares, intrusive thoughts, periods of multiple panic attacks a day, constant recollections and reminders of the war, and weekly appointments I have with the VA I find it very hard to forget the war and what our politicians inflicted both on our military and the people of Iraq.

Hillary Clinton and everyone who vote for and supported that war for one reason or another has just as much guilt and blood on her hands as bush. People like her are exactly what enabled bush to get away with the war on Iraq.

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OMG Elizabeth Warren went there! Finally someone calls Hillary Clinton what she is [View all] Otelo Apr 2014 OP

Is that better than... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #1

What was that comment in response to? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #2

Obama's comment to Hillary during a debate, "You're likeble enough..." maddiemom Apr 2014 #62

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2014 #3

My prediction: Warren won't run for president,won't back a candidate sufrommich Apr 2014 #4

And if Hillary picked her as VP and it is accepted... heads at DU would simultaneously explode! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #6

I would hope she wouldn't accept. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #8

Rather than VP and possibly President afterwards? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #9

Yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #16

Going from Senate to the White House has even LESS of a track record and LESS VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #34

Let me say this: But Elizabeth Warren strikes me as a truly different person. And we do Cal33 Apr 2014 #147

Uh right....she is a DEMOCRAT! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #149

In which case she will be 75 years old. MoonchildCA Apr 2014 #17

Elizabeth Warren will be 75 in 10 yrs? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #37

YES, In 10 Years and 2 Months she will be 75 krawhitham Apr 2014 #41

So would I. I'd prefer her in the Senate in either case. maddiemom Apr 2014 #64

I'd like to see her in Harry Reid's job of senate leader. nt WhiteTara Apr 2014 #90

I agree. She'd be wasted as a VP. She is 64 now. By 2020 or 2024 she'd be 70 or 74 -- too Cal33 Apr 2014 #148

Why would they explode? You're assuming that DUers are a bunch of lock step robots?? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #32

yeah....okay.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #44

+1 deutsey Apr 2014 #45

12 years later and still harping on that vote? Beacool Apr 2014 #57

Slim pickens if the Iraq vote is your major criterion. maddiemom Apr 2014 #67

I guess it's kind of like overlooking the fact that many of the people who ran the West German gover Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #71

Human life and dignity, war crimes against innocent people, torture, hundreds of thousands sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #75

No intended insults, but let me spell it out: Slim pickens =possible candidates who voted maddiemom Apr 2014 #142

Okay, that is certainly a good point. Sorry if I misunderstood your point ... sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #143

I think I had this argument with you a few weeks back Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #68

Yes, we did. Apparently we'll continue arguing over it. Beacool Apr 2014 #86

I and millions of others supported OBama OVER Hillary because of her support for Bush's illegal sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #72

Yeah, and how did that turn out for all of you? Beacool Apr 2014 #85

It didn't turn out very well which is all the more reason to be DOUBLY careful this time. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #92

There's the Beacool I know. And remember. Number23 Apr 2014 #106

LOL Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #107

Her, not him. Beacool Apr 2014 #138

Oh gee, look who the cat dragged in. Beacool Apr 2014 #118

Yep. She's back. Number23 Apr 2014 #121

Well, where have you been? Beacool Apr 2014 #122

you guys quit fightin! i have something for you Bea... dionysus Apr 2014 #141

Ooohhh, a pink ladybug!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #145

hear hear mopinko Apr 2014 #130

what is troubling to me... kenfrequed Apr 2014 #131

Personally, I think that the Left often cuts its nose to spite itself. Beacool Apr 2014 #135

Blanche Lincoln kenfrequed Apr 2014 #140

I tried to respond, but it looks like I accidentally responded to myself. Beacool Apr 2014 #146

Blanche Lincoln was an incumbent senator from AR. Beacool Apr 2014 #144

You didn't follow the campaign, obviously kenfrequed Apr 2014 #152

Not only did she vote for the war, she boldly stated that she wasn't at all sorry for her part Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #65

I remember that. That finished me with her. At least some of the others apologized sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #77

I also remember the DLC (of which Hillary was a part) disparaging octoberlib Apr 2014 #109

They tried to smear people like MM and were worse than the far right when it came to actual sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #111

It would be an absolute waste, better she stay in the Senate, head Treasury, or go to the FED TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #104

Exactly. Phlem Apr 2014 #81

"Terrific." Well, I'm certainly terrified Ron Green Apr 2014 #5

I'm not.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #7

I'm afraid of another corporatist that the RW Ron Green Apr 2014 #10

A populist leaning liberal? Who is more liberal than the current President...AND a Democrat VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #12

A corporate-leaning DLCer. Orsino Apr 2014 #14

We already have a real liberal in the White House. Right now. NYC Liberal Apr 2014 #27

We have a horribly compromised, corporate-leaning Dem in the White House. Orsino Apr 2014 #36

Hilarious. We have the most liberal, progressive President in decades. NYC Liberal Apr 2014 #79

The ol +1! Cha Apr 2014 #97

+2 nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #103

Still don't know what the hell a corporatist is. Must be a dirty word. lumpy Apr 2014 #105

It's someone who covers for the pillaging of the nation by corporate interests. Orsino Apr 2014 #150

Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #110

She's a Third Way advocate. We've seen the results of that over the past dozen years or so. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #35

Yep. Add "Free" Trade and cluster bomb supporter (n/t) bread_and_roses Apr 2014 #60

So THAT'S why the Rightwing hates him? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #46

The RW hates him because he's black; Ron Green Apr 2014 #112

And you THINK she is a corporatist.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123

I'm not holding my breath for a perfect candidate; Ron Green Apr 2014 #124

Not everyone agrees with you on that.....there in lies your problem. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #127

A candidate doesn't have to "do all that." Ron Green Apr 2014 #128

So you are asking for one candidate to say.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #129

Is Bernie Sanders a major-party candidate for President? Ron Green Apr 2014 #132

You said you just wanted someone to "say it"... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #133

The PEOPLE OF THIS NATION need to hear it Ron Green Apr 2014 #134

The people of this nation HAVE heard it.....the problem that you always forget is... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #136

I must respectfully call BULLSHIT on your assertion Ron Green Apr 2014 #154

Oh yeah....and just hearing it from a "Socialist" is going to change all their minds.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #155

One more time - people need to hear it from a DEMOCRAT. Ron Green Apr 2014 #156

They ARE saying it....YOU have selective hearing.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #157

What exactly is a corporatist ? lumpy Apr 2014 #102

For starters, one who has sat for years on boards of corporations. Ron Green Apr 2014 #114

kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2014 #11

I'll ask again: To what question was that the response? Here, I'll help you out... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #13

I think Hillary Clinton is terrific ablamj Apr 2014 #53

What's your point?????? Beacool Apr 2014 #58

You will not find a single post where I am "trashing Hillary". If I'm trashing Hillary, then ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #113

Well, then neither is Warren. Beacool Apr 2014 #117

Oh no, don't ask *that* question MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #83

Well she is terrific for a centrist pro wall street politician. I got nothing against Hillary el_bryanto Apr 2014 #15

Perhaps an even more important question: Orsino Apr 2014 #40

She's terrific, but for whom? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #18

And she is terrific for the GOP. zeemike Apr 2014 #23

It's not about inevitability. Beacool Apr 2014 #88

Ted Cruze generates enthusiasm too zeemike Apr 2014 #93

Whatever.......... Beacool Apr 2014 #94

Unrecommended. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #19

Does that mean that Warren thinks Hillary's support of Bush's wars was "terrific"? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #20

You mean one can hold Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #25

It means Warren does not think the Iraq War vote is not the only issue in the world Otelo Apr 2014 #26

I do disagree with Warren if she thinks Hillary is "terrific". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #31

If that is Warren's position I have zero problem saying goodbye to her also. Politics is about sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #42

They think we are like them ablamj Apr 2014 #56

Sooner or later, Warren will fail some purity test. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #59

if as some are saying ablamj Apr 2014 #61

Do you have to support some one 100% to vote for them? JoePhilly Apr 2014 #63

no ablamj Apr 2014 #66

much of her support is not real JI7 Apr 2014 #126

If one says FDR was terrific, does that mean they support mass imprisonment of Japanese-Americans? NYC Liberal Apr 2014 #29

"terrific' is not a policy position. Will she stop the TPP? grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #21

Amazing how much Hillary supporters are terrified of Warren. Dawgs Apr 2014 #22

I am a huge Hillary supporter. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #24

Maybe it's because I've seen more posts on how Warren is not running for prez than any other. Dawgs Apr 2014 #28

Don't think "most" works with your assumption either. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #50

I think "most" are fearful of Warren running so I'm not changing anything. Dawgs Apr 2014 #54

Didn't think you would change. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #76

Why would I change just because our opinions are different. Dawgs Apr 2014 #78

I was using your method of logical thinking in order to come to.... NCTraveler Apr 2014 #137

Thanks for admitting your comment was crap. n/t Dawgs Apr 2014 #139

As someone who would be pleased as punch with Hillary or Warren (I'm still learning about Warren Number23 Apr 2014 #108

I support Hillary but I more than welcome Warren to run in the primaries. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #33

Still blind, I see. Dawgs Apr 2014 #38

We all have good reason to fear yet another presidency... Orsino Apr 2014 #48

We should be afraid, we are into a new gilded age, we are behind the 8 ball on the environment, TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #115

I recommend ^this ^post.^ Ron Green Apr 2014 #125

Well they should too. Given todays political climte a Warren candidacy could NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #49

I also spend time at reddit.com/politics. Dawgs Apr 2014 #51

I think she's being a "cheerleader" as asked n/t albino65 Apr 2014 #30

Good Lord what else is she supposed to say? azurnoir Apr 2014 #39

I guess that's her inner Republican making her say that. DCBob Apr 2014 #43

I guess that confirms that Hillary is in fact pure Gman Apr 2014 #47

She forgot to finish the quote: "I think Hillary Clinton is terrific for the 1%". Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #52

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2014 #69

Ding ding ding ... We have a winner! Phlem Apr 2014 #82

Well, that's one "cat fight" that will never happen. Beacool Apr 2014 #55

I won't be disappointed Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #70

This place has become a bore. Beacool Apr 2014 #89

It has become a bore Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #95

Well, I don't give a flying fig what others think. Beacool Apr 2014 #96

Yet you think that others care about your boredom Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #98

Did I say anyone had to care??? Beacool Apr 2014 #99

Oi Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #100

I really hope that there will be a primary and that Hilary won't be "anointed". GoneOffShore Apr 2014 #73

Everyone is wrong now and again. alarimer Apr 2014 #74

That's nice whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #80

Her book apparently has nicer stuff to say. joshcryer Apr 2014 #84

Hillary Clinton is the only Democratic candidate who could put Texas intp play Gothmog Apr 2014 #87

If Texas will vote Hillary in, with its size, the psychopathic GOP will be dead and buried... n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #120

Love HRC the woman Doctor_J Apr 2014 #91

Good for Senator Warren! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #101

Gee, what are the Warren Supporters going to do? brooklynite Apr 2014 #116

Looks like the bus is coming for Warren... n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #119

why this looks like yet another shit-stirring thread 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #151

Well then... 99Forever Apr 2014 #153

I find amusing the people having a sad because Warren won't hate on Clinton. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #158

That's what it boils down to, Warren refuses to play their game. Beacool Apr 2014 #159