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MillennialDem

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80. I'm no fan of drug addicts (have a family member who is one - he is a POS) but your logic is a

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:22 AM

Apr 2014

little silly.

Yeah breaking into a house can cause your life to be lost.

But so can accidentally opening an unlocked door that you assume is your house (but actually isn't). So can sticking up to a bully. Lots of things can lead to dying.

The reason the homeowner has a right to shoot is because someone who breaks into a house could be a threat and the homeowner usually has no safe retreat option at all - trying to pass any kind of judgment on the intruders lives is wrong. People don't deserve to die because of theft - neither legally nor morally. Sent to jail? Yep. Get the piss beat out of them? Yep (well, morally, but probably not legal) . Shot, disabled, and executed? Nope.

Anything you say inadvertently helps to make the "shot, disabled, and executed" a justifiable action which it is not.

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Homeowner caught on tape "finishing off" teen burglars. Murder or self defense? [View all] Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 OP

Life, no parole, for everything after the first shot. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #1

online community - overwhelming support the homeowner Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 #2

Of course they do. Human life isn't worth a dime anymore in this fucked up country. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #3

It shows that it truly isn't actually about self defense kcr Apr 2014 #51

that's because the internet is filled with old men with gun fantasies.. progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #118

Murder. XRubicon Apr 2014 #4

You're in someone's house illegally, you just might die for it. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #5

More Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 #6

"So he placed his revolver under her chin and fired...." moriah Apr 2014 #8

he and his friends look pretty smug too during court break lunasun Apr 2014 #43

Christ. Never mind. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #81

No possession is worth anyone's life. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #18

They had stolen guns from his home in a previous burglary. Jenoch Apr 2014 #24

Shot, then FELL down the stairs. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #30

She continued down the stairs before she was shot. Jenoch Apr 2014 #39

It is a walkout basement. mn9driver Apr 2014 #49

Yes, I remembered that after I wrote that. Jenoch Apr 2014 #54

'A little nuts'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #105

I do not agree with you if you are claiming Jenoch Apr 2014 #135

I'm not. I'm speaking of the subset Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #142

I certainly do not fantasize about that sort of thing. Jenoch Apr 2014 #143

then you wonder how much of that was even true.. based on his instability. n/t progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #124

A tough call? meanit Apr 2014 #37

Not film--audio tape. nt tblue37 Apr 2014 #87

You're right of course. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #90

Are you motherfucking kidding me? He put the gun under her chin and blew her brains out. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #45

Jesus H. Christ Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #52

Edit: nm chrisa Apr 2014 #116

ridiculous. progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #119

Murder. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #7

You left this part out... BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #9

Makes no difference how many times. He was not in danger when firing the last shot. nt Logical Apr 2014 #13

that's not the issue, nobody is denying what they did was wrong, it's that there was a point where JI7 Apr 2014 #20

He put the gun under her chin and blew her brains out. That is an execution... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #46

"I did a good, clean finishing shot and she gave out the death twitch." herding cats Apr 2014 #58

He was not in his right mind to be sure BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #62

Lol at 64 being an "old man". ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #65

His defense is not claiming dementia or any other organic brain disorder. herding cats Apr 2014 #67

Dementia at 64? Not usually! I will be 64 in tblue37 Apr 2014 #68

Scum is a very strong word. I think "asshole" is more apropos... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #71

According to neighbors he was constantly shooting his guns in his yard and had the cops MillennialDem Apr 2014 #75

Blame the parents. Classy. Anybody but the murderer, because it's my house. Mine, mine, Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #83

what a sick fuck he is. n/t progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #122

Original link for those who won't click a tabloid site alp227 Apr 2014 #10

I don't know how to neatly label what happened ... 1000words Apr 2014 #11

The courts dropped the ball too BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #12

I had a state DA tell me/us hfojvt Apr 2014 #22

But posssession of a small amount of weed = "Throw away the key!" nt tblue37 Apr 2014 #85

no, that had changed too hfojvt Apr 2014 #104

He didn't even call the police. herding cats Apr 2014 #14

It's a low grade of murder on the follow up shots I think... High_Voltage Apr 2014 #147

Fucking gun nuts Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #15

Let me put it this way The Straight Story Apr 2014 #23

i'm not trying to be sanctimonious, but the difference between a gun owner and somebody like myself Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #53

Our experiences differ perhaps The Straight Story Apr 2014 #56

" I wouldn't think twice about it." 99Forever Apr 2014 #95

Unless someone is armed, you hold them at gunpoint and call the police. progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #123

I am fsirly certain that everyone on this thread, Jenoch Apr 2014 #140

This guy thoroughly enjoyed killing these 2 burglars. meanit Apr 2014 #33

I'm no fan of burglary, but this was definitely WAY too damn far. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #16

why did he record it ? JI7 Apr 2014 #17

Sick, sick fucker. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #19

Yahoo News should be fucking fumigated. Filled to the brim with sociopathic cockroaches. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #27

I'm not the misanthropic type NuclearDem Apr 2014 #35

+1 nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #107

These same two teens had broken into his house before. Jenoch Apr 2014 #21

sounds like murder to me. Takket Apr 2014 #25

Second degree murder or manslaughter seems the right charge. stevenleser Apr 2014 #26

2 counts first degree. Life, no parole. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #109

I don't think that is true. 1st degree murder requires prior planning and intent. stevenleser Apr 2014 #149

Moving your car away so burglars Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #152

Edited: Looks like there is a 1st degree murder trial underway. stevenleser Apr 2014 #156

He allowed his revenge fantasies to get the best of him.... hadrons Apr 2014 #28

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #29

What with their cold-blooded execution and what not. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #32

Yes BKH70041 Apr 2014 #34

Your post is despicable. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #47

You like pizza? xfundy Apr 2014 #55

Won't be long now. Orrex Apr 2014 #63

This man, deathrind Apr 2014 #31

Why is the DailyMail legit in this story, but not legit in the Oprah story? BKH70041 Apr 2014 #36

the Daily Mail is a tabloid rag TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #60

If intruders break into your home, there is nothing wrong with waiting for them ... spin Apr 2014 #38

Some of the roundabout meanit Apr 2014 #40

I think Spin in #38 has the best outlook, esp. the recommendation Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #69

This tape will convict him. mn9driver Apr 2014 #41

Don't count on it... CANDO Apr 2014 #113

WTF with the 2% CincyDem Apr 2014 #42

People do sometimes think differently from "the pack."n/t BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Apr 2014 #77

Fair enough. But how is not murder when the guy shot the teens MULTIPLE times?? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #79

I have the suspicion that Beulah is the 1 person who voted Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #110

No question it is murder, just the degree. I argue 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. stevenleser Apr 2014 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Apr 2014 #153

I have zero problem with shooting home invaders. Zero. linuxman Apr 2014 #44

I think you summed it up quite nicely Egnever Apr 2014 #50

Shooting once to maim a person is self defense. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #48

Stated perfectly. Yet some *willfully* won't see the distinction. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #57

Some will go to any lengths meanit Apr 2014 #98

+1 LittleBlue Apr 2014 #66

By his own admission, he fired "more shots than I needed to." flvegan Apr 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Apr 2014 #64

He taped (audio) the shootings and his comments, and then told the cops all about tblue37 Apr 2014 #86

the law defines self-defense as the use of force TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #70

Lesson? If you don't want to die breaking into someone's home, Skip Intro Apr 2014 #72

Armed or not, do you deliver a coup de grace to someone already shot 3 times, twice in the head? MillennialDem Apr 2014 #74

I doubt it. But the guy was in his house, they broke in. They instigated the situation. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #76

I'm no fan of drug addicts (have a family member who is one - he is a POS) but your logic is a MillennialDem Apr 2014 #80

I'm not going to be worried about the invader's safety. I'm going to view him (or her) Skip Intro Apr 2014 #82

There's no sanctimonious lesson here. Feral Child Apr 2014 #93

But when thy cease to be a mortal threat, as in death rattling on the floor. SQUEE Apr 2014 #94

Very few people dispute the fact that you have the right to shoot, stab, club, or MillennialDem Apr 2014 #96

you're always lecturing me about people not liking what i post CreekDog Apr 2014 #148

There is no "but" friend tkmorris Apr 2014 #103

Which is no more nor no less a relevant lesson than "if you don't want to die in a car accident..." LanternWaste Apr 2014 #128

I wonder how many people would have defended the homeowner if instead of MillennialDem Apr 2014 #137

Your analogy does not work. Jenoch Apr 2014 #144

Totally unreasonable: some thoughts MillennialDem Apr 2014 #73

If somebody breaks into my house, the first thing I'm going to do is find a way to get out of the Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #84

+1. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #112

"Finishing them off" sounds like all the fight was gone Warpy Apr 2014 #88

2nd degree murder is too soft. joshcryer Apr 2014 #89

Manslaughter, I dont think you have murder here Brown Coat Apr 2014 #91

Really.... meanit Apr 2014 #100

Someone breaks into my house, I will protect my family. What Bryon did was sick B Calm Apr 2014 #92

I never vote on polls about ongoing criminal cases. MineralMan Apr 2014 #97

Some what similar to the Jerome Ersland case. CBGLuthier Apr 2014 #99

Once you have them under your gun, meanit Apr 2014 #101

Good call. I mean, is it that unreasonable or unsafe for the homeowner to say I have you in Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #108

This reminds me of the I think NC case.. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #102

a lil different because they were lawfully on their own land Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 #157

Agreed, I guess I was thinking of the no warning before you kill someone Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #159

he parked his truck at the neighbors riverwalker Apr 2014 #106

Yep. He stopped the threat. SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #111

Murder Lurks Often Apr 2014 #114

On what planet is this self-defense? He fired execution shots. chrisa Apr 2014 #115

Cold blooded murder. Period. progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #117

I have some very mixed emotions on this topic. hamsterjill Apr 2014 #120

dumb kids. but dumb shouldn't mean dead. too bad they broke into a pschopath's house. dionysus Apr 2014 #121

The mentally ill (drug addicts) met the mentally ill (sociopath) with predictable results MillennialDem Apr 2014 #126

That kinda nails it Bragi Apr 2014 #132

I kind of disagree that jails are a bad plan for addicts MillennialDem Apr 2014 #133

Sorry about your brother Bragi Apr 2014 #138

Thanks re: my brother. Also MillennialDem Apr 2014 #139

Another part of that great Reagan legacy! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #134

I am thankful I barely even remember Reagan (I was born right before he was sworn in), but MillennialDem Apr 2014 #136

It's certainly murder. Is Fox News to blame? Bragi Apr 2014 #125

Guns are toys for childish men randys1 Apr 2014 #127

Yep, I've noticed a lot of pro second amendment men defend it because guns are MillennialDem Apr 2014 #131

What are you doing to attain your lofty goal, Jenoch Apr 2014 #145

Far better plan: MillennialDem Apr 2014 #129

Clearly murder. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #130

Executing the teens went too far. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #141

I have no issue with his initial self defense, it's the execution that is the problem. dilby Apr 2014 #146

agreed. he's guilty of murder. but i am not for death penalty Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 #158

Thinking about their parents ... Bethany Rockafella Apr 2014 #151

Yeah, if I were one of their parents, that guy's best option would be incarceration... stevenleser Apr 2014 #154

Cold-blooded murder...hope the guy is locked up for a good long time... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #155