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joshcryer

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163. The Great Right Wing Conspiracy?

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 03:02 AM

Apr 2014

A term Clinton herself coined and was derided for saying?

Vincent Foster, Arkansas Project, Whitewater, Lewinsky? FBI files, Madison Guaranty, Rose Law Firm? The first impeachment of a President in over 130 years?

Are you kidding me?

Of course the DLC would prominently feature her, she made them relevant.

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If Hillary is a corporatist Third Way DLC Dem, why does Elizabeth Warren think she's terrific? [View all] Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 OP

K&R! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #1

I bet you aren't going to get an answer from anyone who is trying to hype the sexist ratfucking msanthrope Apr 2014 #2

+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2014 #6

I'm of the firm belief Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #10

It's ratfucking 101....attacks from the faux Left on the strongest candidates. Looks like Warren msanthrope Apr 2014 #19

So it's the DLC-3rd way or you are a ratfucker? hootinholler Apr 2014 #99

Who are you calling DLC or third way? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #102

Hillary Clinton hootinholler Apr 2014 #103

Oh lordy...still trying to find people who don't accept the bought and paid for Senate 2000 msanthrope Apr 2014 #127

What bullshit from Rove and Company? hootinholler Apr 2014 #140

Dear sweet jeebus...if you are unfamiliar with the recent history of 2000, and, frankly, 1996/98... msanthrope Apr 2014 #142

It matters not. hootinholler Apr 2014 #143

It really does matter. There's a 2014 election to win, and ignorance about the Clintons... msanthrope Apr 2014 #146

Again and for the last time hootinholler Apr 2014 #152

The Great Right Wing Conspiracy? joshcryer Apr 2014 #163

No, I'm not kidding anyone hootinholler Apr 2014 #168

Because it's mostly irrelevant. joshcryer Apr 2014 #181

We must define success differently hootinholler Apr 2014 #183

dupe joshcryer Apr 2014 #185

Please give me a theoretical path she could've taken. joshcryer Apr 2014 #186

I'm not interested in discussing a fictional version n/t hootinholler Apr 2014 #188

So you concede the point? joshcryer Apr 2014 #189

She is what she is. hootinholler Apr 2014 #190

Politicians "change their spots" regularly. joshcryer Apr 2014 #191

Remember when David Brock admitted the conspiracy existed? joshcryer Apr 2014 #164

Yes...he admitted that his book on Anita Hill was bought and paid for BS. He admitted that msanthrope Apr 2014 #165

She was a woman politician in the Regan era conservative shift. joshcryer Apr 2014 #162

Your reasoning of the situation seems to be right on! Let's not fall for this Republican trick! Cal33 Apr 2014 #180

I would have to agree with that assessment. nt MADem Apr 2014 #109

Yep treestar Apr 2014 #138

Actually, I heard Joe Scarborough do that dance earlier this week... CTyankee Apr 2014 #171

Wrong. If Elizabeth Warren changes her views on war and wall st. crimes and joins sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #114

Well, sabs, I am glad for the the blueprint!!!! If she ain't a ratfucker, you are just done!!!nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #129

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #121

Oh....they realize. They just think we are stupid. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #130

Embrace your anger Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #139

Because, as it is today... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #3

+1000 Historic NY Apr 2014 #78

Or, "terrific" is the easiest one word response when you don't want to say anything at all. fbc Apr 2014 #85

We have to mention "Benghazi" yallerdawg Apr 2014 #95

As she acknowledged as well in that private letter signed by all of the Democratic female Senators, MADem Apr 2014 #110

MAdem?! yallerdawg Apr 2014 #111

I think you've misunderstood my comment! MADem Apr 2014 #113

I thought you misunderstood my comment. yallerdawg Apr 2014 #118

Where do I pay mah dues? MADem Apr 2014 #131

True dat - what else is Elizabeth sposed to say? Of course she knows Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street ratfuckers. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #206

Snarf. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #214

There's a couple of possibilities el_bryanto Apr 2014 #4

I would rather win then Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #117

Than you should support who you feel is best. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #156

Guilt by association! onehandle Apr 2014 #5

Well, until fairly recently, she was a Republican. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #23

What?? When was Elizabeth Warren a republican? sufrommich Apr 2014 #25

According to her wikipedia entry, from her first votes until 1996. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #30

Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. It happens. Arkana Apr 2014 #64

Me either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #66

Again with that? She was freaking 17 years old, for goodness sakes!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #151

Chill. My point is that people change. Elizabeth Warren voted Republican in 1996, Arkana Apr 2014 #159

I guess you could argue that a switch in 96 is not 'recent' though. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #31

Look, pick a side and then be totally one-sided, willya? merrily Apr 2014 #198

I do have a side - I'm critical of ALL politicians. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #199

Temporarily align with your views or pretend to align with your views merrily Apr 2014 #200

Oh I'm not being even-handed at all. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #203

I am not always on any individual's side, including my own. merrily Apr 2014 #204

She was a registered Republican until her mid 40s. Beacool Apr 2014 #150

Whatever. There was a time when Republicans were humans. onehandle Apr 2014 #33

Don't worry. Scott Brown's campaign and the Boston Herald Arkana Apr 2014 #62

Within in the strict confines of the question... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #7

It's calculated to convey that Warren will not throw sufrommich Apr 2014 #11

There are three possibilities. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #8

For a 4th possibility, IDemo Apr 2014 #13

That post is pure waffle. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #17

I seriously doubt it IDemo Apr 2014 #24

OK, so you think she's a liar. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #27

Oh please, Politics is politics - Sen. Warren recognizes that Hillary is the most likely nominee and Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #9

So Warren is lying? Hillary is, in fact, not terrific? nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #12

...'not terrific' as what? A leading female candidate? As a grandma-to-be? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #16

Could be it's a 'white lie'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #18

and sometimes.....the truth is just the truth.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #53

Well, sure. Especially when it's merely Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #57

But you're just supposed to trust ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #77

sorry, but you are being awfully naive about how politics is played in the real world Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #20

Were Hillary and Obama lying when they said nice things about each other in 08? Dawgs Apr 2014 #35

No, of course not. They genuinely respected each other (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #36

Warren is a good politician. There is no downside to her backing Hillary. Warren rallies the Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #67

Would that some on Democratic Underground understood politics.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #51

Reagan's 11th commandment? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #14

seems like a convoluted way to determine if Hilllary is a DLC/Third Way/New Dem type or not. merrily Apr 2014 #15

Ask Warren. I don't live in her head or she in mine. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #104

Odd reply. I don't think Warren suggested that we should try to determine what Hillary's politics merrily Apr 2014 #197

My bad. That was intended to be a reply to the OP and I'm not sure why I replied to you TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #210

LOL, no worries. Good to know. merrily Apr 2014 #212

It sounded to me like a bit of deflection - Warren just said the usual thing, and then said djean111 Apr 2014 #21

It makes me like Elizabeth Warren more.....does that count? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #54

Count for what? Your premise is that Warren saying Terrific! means Hillary must not be a djean111 Apr 2014 #61

That wasn't MY pemise.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #71

Hillary and Bill were among the earliest members of the DLC in the late 80's DJ13 Apr 2014 #92

So? I believe Elizabeth Warren was once voted Republican..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #122

Warren has changed DJ13 Apr 2014 #125

You seem to think you know so much about her.....have you changed at all since VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #128

I'll get back to you after my two speeches at Goldman Sachs DJ13 Apr 2014 #132

Great post. The op seems to be the meme released across the internets today including DU. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #173

ASk her. mmonk Apr 2014 #22

exactly Enrique Apr 2014 #29

Technically, Al From was the head. merrily Apr 2014 #216

I suppose you could send her an email and ask her! I know what i think and why. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #26

Does Warren think Hillary's support and votes for Bush's wars are also "terrific"? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #28

How long have you been following politics? Dawgs Apr 2014 #32

Ummmm.... Obama DID think Hillary was terrific. Why else would he name her SoS? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #38

Ummm... the point is that it's not a big deal for Warren to say that Hillary is terrific. Disagree? Dawgs Apr 2014 #39

No, I believe that Warren thinks Hillary should be the next president. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #40

Interesting. Dawgs Apr 2014 #42

Well.... my opinion of Hillary is the same as Warren's. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #43

As if many here are not blinded by love for the person in your sig.......... Beacool Apr 2014 #155

Not a big deal for some.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #56

Why would it be a big deal for anyone? Dawgs Apr 2014 #60

Because some here think Elizabeth Warren is the Second Coming.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

That's not a reason. Dawgs Apr 2014 #86

Right......that is what this is an example of......oh yeah....except for that one other little thing VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123

Warren would have to be the Third Coming.. Fumesucker Apr 2014 #133

He won the office.....big difference. Much to your dismay there are going to be statues VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #135

Umm.. I personally *like* Obama Fumesucker Apr 2014 #147

No he is not important to DEMOCRATS! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #149

Important politicians get stuff named after them Fumesucker Apr 2014 #153

Yes they do..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #154

Are you getting ready for the coming BOG war? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #141

shhhhh Hekate Apr 2014 #34

Apparently, Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #65

Because overall she is terrific. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #37

Fact is that Hillary was a founding and leading member of the DLC, that's simple Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #41

politics Egnever Apr 2014 #44

Because she's too polite to publicly call Hillary a DINO. Scuba Apr 2014 #45

Hillary a DINO? agbdf Apr 2014 #106

Personally, I don't think she can win. The right will turn out in droves to vote against her .... Scuba Apr 2014 #107

I hope you're wrong. I'm a big Hillary supporter. agbdf Apr 2014 #108

Truth. And she will be more liberal than Obama. joshcryer Apr 2014 #144

More liberal DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #160

Talking candidates here. joshcryer Apr 2014 #161

"will claim she's a shrill liar about the things she'll talk about." Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #167

She told that story a dozen times. joshcryer Apr 2014 #192

how Clintonesque DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #174

I don't want Clinton. joshcryer Apr 2014 #193

Talk about spin krawhitham Apr 2014 #46

I think some here have forgotten that Warren signed sufrommich Apr 2014 #47

Gosh, I had forgotten that. Got a link to the letter? n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #119

More to the point is... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #48

Elizabeth is being a loyal party person in this instance. Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #49

Sen. Warren is not necessarily endorsing Hillary for President. She could mean that Hillary is a nic jwirr Apr 2014 #50

Absolutely. Warren was being diplomatic Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #196

Elizabeth Warren is mistaken. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #52

so the new argument is Hillary's NOT corporatist and 3Way? MisterP Apr 2014 #55

Oh, I've seen that argument hootinholler Apr 2014 #100

There really isn't anything anyone can say or do to make Hillary more palable to those, like me, who djean111 Apr 2014 #58

Well said. Raksha Apr 2014 #187

People always play nice when it comes to public comments about others. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #63

Please tell me you Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #70

Mirt moved fast. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #72

Well, Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #75

Probably not, unfortunately. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #73

What is she supposed to say? Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #68

If she didn't believe what she was saying, the answer to your 1st question is "absolutely nothing" stevenleser Apr 2014 #89

All your fault..... whistler162 Apr 2014 #69

note: she did not say clinton's political views are terrific, only that hillary is terrific nt msongs Apr 2014 #76

So wait ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #79

You are right AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #172

“I think Hillary Clinton is terrific,”she said.“We've got to stay focused on these issues right now" Sunlei Apr 2014 #80

"Reformed" Republicans SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2014 #81

Political personalities' opinions of one another are not that important. Maedhros Apr 2014 #82

I'm sure Hillary and Elizabeth Warren like each other. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #83

What would you have her say, in public? elleng Apr 2014 #84

See my #89 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #94

when asked if clinton would make a good president, warren replied 'i like turtles' frylock Apr 2014 #87

Because Hillary is a terrific corporatist, third way, DLC prommie Apr 2014 #88

No worries, true progressives will NEVER forget this wolf in sheep's clothing. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #207

Why do some people think lima beans are terrific? whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #90

Do you think Hillary would make a good president? Autumn Apr 2014 #91

For a Third Way DLC Dem...... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #93

That's an Oscar de la Renta gown and coat that he designed for Bill's second inaugural. Beacool Apr 2014 #220

Because Warren is no more liberal than 3rd way Udall. joshcryer Apr 2014 #96

Because Hillary *is* terrific MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #97

Looks like Warren isn't playing the game... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #105

See this gray thing? It's either black, or it's white. Decide now. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #98

K&R! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #101

That's what I love about Elizabeth Warren Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #112

She is terrific and a DLC Dem. The two ain't mutually exclusive otherone Apr 2014 #115

That is a good question for Warren. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #116

Its all politics Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #120

Good grief. 99Forever Apr 2014 #124

Elizabeth Warren isn't playing politics Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #136

One word for you, Cali_Democrat, 99Forever Apr 2014 #148

And you would think that someone with some common sense would realize that both women get along. Beacool Apr 2014 #194

Because it is so unflattering libodem Apr 2014 #126

She's certainly not going to talk trash about Wall Streets' chosen Democratic Presidential Zorra Apr 2014 #134

Because EW is also a corporatist Third Way DLC Dem, obviously treestar Apr 2014 #137

Actually, her liberal rating isn't so hot. joshcryer Apr 2014 #145

Because she is a team player. roody Apr 2014 #157

It was a dodge Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #158

Because nothing satisfies purists. iandhr Apr 2014 #166

What does all of that have to do with disagreeing that when Warren says "Terrific!" she means that djean111 Apr 2014 #182

Maybe Warren's ambition to chair the Senate banking committee. iandhr Apr 2014 #169

Because Warren is smart enough to *NOT* bash Hillary in public? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #170

Democrats and liberals overwhelmingly like HRC arely staircase Apr 2014 #175

Her being part of the DLC isn't up for debate. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #176

Yeah, I don't get this denial. /nt Marr Apr 2014 #178

what did anyone think she would say? 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #177

Uhh... Marr Apr 2014 #179

Shhhh! JackRiddler Apr 2014 #213

I don't know. I think she was just being polite. Raksha Apr 2014 #184

This notion that Liz Warren and Hillary Clinton don't get along is nonsense. Beacool Apr 2014 #195

Maybe I don't read the correct threads, but I have never seen a thread saying djean111 Apr 2014 #202

Did you read the responses? Beacool Apr 2014 #205

What I read yesterday were OPs stating that when Warren said "Terrific!, and now can we get back djean111 Apr 2014 #208

Actually, no... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #215

I'd say there's something sexist about your equating of political differences Marr Apr 2014 #217

What is "just stupefyingly dumb" is trying to pit these two women against each other. Beacool Apr 2014 #218

Who is doing that? The OP is saying that Clinton cannot be a corporatist DLCer because Marr Apr 2014 #219

Holy crap! Do you mean to tell me... vi5 Apr 2014 #201

Can ya feel all the corporate love here? L0oniX Apr 2014 #209

Because, like Hillary Clinton, she is very smart. Rex Apr 2014 #211