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Bazinga

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149. You're referring to biometric or RFID systems that lock out unauthorized users.

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 06:37 AM

Apr 2014

In essence it's a great idea, but it is unproven. They simply haven't been around long enough to prove their reliability, and any self-defense expert will tell you that there is only one important characteristic for a self-defense firearm, reliability. Proper function 99% of the time is not good enough, 99.9% is not good enough. It has to work every time.

Also, guns are very simple machines. That's how they maintain such monotonous reliability. Adding electronics to a machine only reduces the durability and reliability, just ask a mechanic who works on old cars. How often have you needed a flashlight only to realize that the batteries are dead? If that happens with a gun it could cost your life, so gun owners are hesitant to put a battery in their gun.

Would I prefer to have a gun that could never be used against me? Absolutely, but not if it means sacrificing reliability. Perhaps if police forces are willing to spend 5-10 years proving this technology it would change some minds. Until then, however, it is absolutely wrong to codify such a requirement by law.

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15 Years After Columbine, How "Never Again" Became "Oh Well" [View all] Hissyspit Apr 2014 OP

The phenomenon of mass murder is quite rare, Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #1

But I'm sure the fact we're unable to pass even moderate gun control in this country, doesn't help. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #3

Universal background checks had no chance when they bundled them with an AWB hack89 Apr 2014 #5

Universial background checks would not stop mass shootings. Look at the last few...... Logical Apr 2014 #8

"Criminals have no trouble getting guns." Therefore no gun control whatsoever? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #13

Let me know what you propose. Most here post irrational crap that will stop nothing. nt Logical Apr 2014 #14

You mean this Wild West Lurks Often Apr 2014 #41

Hmm lots of things to question about this article Egnever Apr 2014 #58

It matches other things I have read Lurks Often Apr 2014 #60

Every thing is less violent than the movies Egnever Apr 2014 #64

Much like this entire thread is a pathetic attempt for more gun control n/t Lurks Often Apr 2014 #65

Could be Egnever Apr 2014 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author XRubicon Apr 2014 #116

Would you offer anything up to reach a deal? badtoworse Apr 2014 #10

I thought cutting down on the thousands of homicides a year would be good enough. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #16

Respectfully, your post reveals part of the problem: Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #22

I don't accept that thousands of homicides would be prevented with "relatively mild" measures badtoworse Apr 2014 #34

The knee-jerk reaction was typical and timeworn... krispos42 Apr 2014 #11

Yes, the murder rate is substantially lower than 20 years. But it's still the highest in the nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #15

Our homicide rate is about 3x that of GB krispos42 Apr 2014 #20

It failed (as it should have) for several reasons. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #23

Your post is insulting on many levels lapislzi Apr 2014 #37

As truth to the gullible often is. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #42

you're accusing the families of the victims of using Newtown as a "PR gimmick"? CreekDog Apr 2014 #48

Another lie from CreekDog (who jokes of electrocuted teens, btw - w/ link). Skip Intro Apr 2014 #50

been keeping screencaptures for 5 years now? CreekDog Apr 2014 #51

Oh, so some dead kids are funny to you, eh, CreekDog? Skip Intro Apr 2014 #52

well i guess you got me CreekDog Apr 2014 #53

Ah, you made some people laugh at the girl's death? Good job, then, CreekDog! Skip Intro Apr 2014 #54

Puma huh? CreekDog Apr 2014 #55

Oh man, that is sad. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #57

even though Paul said he was against the Civil Rights Act CreekDog Apr 2014 #63

pretty weak to post that out of context Egnever Apr 2014 #67

I'm well aware of the realities of the situation. lapislzi Apr 2014 #69

First, kids getting shot in school is not OK with ANYBODY. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #74

I will agree with you on a couple of points. lapislzi Apr 2014 #79

Not knowledgeable about guns or the proper terminology for the various types and styles of... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #140

You're referring to biometric or RFID systems that lock out unauthorized users. Bazinga Apr 2014 #149

and shortly before or that a lunatic opened up on firefighters in a suburb on my city with an AR dionysus Apr 2014 #108

As much as this place sucks now, I still don't think I've seen anything as disgusting as your post Number23 Apr 2014 #148

Your insight on generational change being the answer is, I believe, correct. CTyankee Apr 2014 #44

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How about you tell me lapislzi Apr 2014 #85

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The cold contempt you and others with your agenda hold the families in kcr Apr 2014 #144

But it's not the families. Bazinga Apr 2014 #152

Nope. Doesn't seem a bit disingenuous to me. Not at all. kcr Apr 2014 #154

I have no particular interest in taking away your guns. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #89

The first step would be opening up the NICS to private sales. Bazinga Apr 2014 #101

Universal background checks, and at least state-level registration. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #103

I'm all for UBCs, though not necessarily how they were proposed after Sandy Hook. Bazinga Apr 2014 #114

Fair enough. But I'm open to anything that might reduce our thousands of gun homicides a year nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #118

That's part of our problem, the willingness to "try anything" Bazinga Apr 2014 #125

I agree the focus on semi-auto rifles is excessive, when handguns are responsible for most of the nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #132

I have a brother who owns a gun shop and shooting range in CA Bazinga Apr 2014 #153

Hopefully, preventing the worst of the crazies from having guns, or at least from obtaining more. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #162

If the goal is to prevent prohibited persons from obtaining weapons, Bazinga Apr 2014 #164

If they have a criminal (certainly felony) record since obtaining the gun, then yes, it should be nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #165

I agree, newly convicted felons should have their guns confiscated. Bazinga Apr 2014 #167

So what do we do about the admittedly fairly small minority of gun owners who are a potential nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #168

We do the same thing.. Bazinga Apr 2014 #169

I don't consider gun owners in general my opponents. Only those opposed to any gun control at all nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #170

suicide bombers- not just America KittyWampus Apr 2014 #38

Political and religious extremism play an even more obscure role Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #59

Generally, our very violent culture is produced for us .... Mondavi Apr 2014 #56

Good points. The spate of Cali freeway chases went national Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #61

It's rare in most civilized countries that have strong gun laws. It's not rare here. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #76

Even Mother Jones says it is rare: 62 cases in 31 yrs. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #104

And other countries have a small fraction of 62. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #106

They are neither abstract nor frequent. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #145

Never blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #2

the paranoid gun humpers have won Skittles Apr 2014 #4

No hack89 Apr 2014 #6

ridiculous Skittles Apr 2014 #27

Around here any dissent on gun control = gun humper hack89 Apr 2014 #31

And people like you are as bad as the "everyone should be armed" group. No logic needed. nt Logical Apr 2014 #7

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Skittles Apr 2014 #26

Paranoid gun humpers? Generalize much? badtoworse Apr 2014 #9

riiiiiiiiight Skittles Apr 2014 #24

What an erudite response badtoworse Apr 2014 #33

And exactly who is calling for "everyone" to be armed? Cite, please. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #12

I'll give you one hint Skittles Apr 2014 #28

Link? One where they call for everyone to be armed? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #39

what is a "gun humper?" n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #17

you know EXACTLY what they are Skittles Apr 2014 #25

Typically it is anyone who believes in the freedom of civilians/poor to own a gun The Straight Story Apr 2014 #43

You need a license and registration papers to drive a car, why not to own a gun? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #92

You don't need them to own a car The Straight Story Apr 2014 #105

nice ad hominem attack Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #18

Get past the fear and culture war and look at celebrity and recognition. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #19

I agree Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #21

Hear, hear!!!! n/t Mugu Apr 2014 #30

Insults and strawman arguments. Gee, THAT'S helpful. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #36

Hell, they've even won on this thread. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #93

yup Skittles Apr 2014 #111

Dear Skittles, I respect you immensely lapislzi Apr 2014 #158

I am fucking SICK of them Skittles Apr 2014 #163

A big +1 Packerowner740 Apr 2014 #166

we sure like to wallow--our only actions are blundering vengeance against brown people (Afghanistan, MisterP Apr 2014 #29

The blood of those dead children and ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #32

And to think, I was blaming the murder of children on the murderers themselves... Jgarrick Apr 2014 #40

Those that aid and abet carry the burden of the results of their actions. 99Forever Apr 2014 #45

Since you have knowledge of someone aiding and abetting in the murder of children who has not been Jgarrick Apr 2014 #47

Dead children is the price we pay to save the guns. Iggo Apr 2014 #35

Alcohol claims the lives of 4.13 Sandy Hooks every WEEK Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #62

We can't do anything about guns because there are other things which claim more lives Major Nikon Apr 2014 #70

That's the problem, you want to do "ANYTHING!" You don't even know what it is you want to do or why. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #71

The gun homicide rate in the US rivals 3rd world countries Major Nikon Apr 2014 #72

"the gun homicide rates in the inner cities" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #73

Sure, just so long as we don't do anything about precious, right? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #75

You stated yourself that the inner cities had a higher murder rate than rural communities. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #77

Where do you think the inner city guns come from? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #80

You're still saying, but not acknowledging, the fact that the Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #81

Ah yes, a clever repackaging of the tired old "guns don't kill people" meme Major Nikon Apr 2014 #82

"violence increases when population densities increase." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #83

You're still stuck on the bullshit meme Major Nikon Apr 2014 #86

So what you're saying is -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #87

oh, good lord, he didn't say that! CTyankee Apr 2014 #90

Where did the poster attempt to contend with criminal intent? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #96

I read what he said. He said access to guns made it easier. CTyankee Apr 2014 #99

Yes, I read the exact same thing. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #102

His post #91 has a link that explains it all to you. READ IT. CTyankee Apr 2014 #107

But they have been refuted. Repeatedly. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #109

I am talking about the List of countries by firearm-related death rate which he posted. CTyankee Apr 2014 #112

Yes. Is it your assertion that correlation = causation? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #113

Ah, revelation! Thank you. It explains everything...of course...how could those countries CTyankee Apr 2014 #126

Well, it can't be guns because as US laws become more lax the homicide rate is dropping. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #133

and how well we are doing up against all these other countries...isn't it marvelous? CTyankee Apr 2014 #136

Is it your assertion that it never does? kcr Apr 2014 #146

Considering the fact there are nations further down the list with Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #150

I wouldn't say that kcr Apr 2014 #155

What about countries higher on the list with fewer gun control laws? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #156

So, not getting the concept or being disingenuous? kcr Apr 2014 #157

You're trying to pin the issue on a singular cause. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #159

Nope, don't think I am. kcr Apr 2014 #160

Yes, I typed that. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #161

"You want to eliminate the guns but are content in leaving the intent to commit murder" Major Nikon Apr 2014 #91

Really? Then how do you explain places where gun ownership is high but murder rates are low? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #95

It's not all about gun ownership rates Major Nikon Apr 2014 #98

"It's about how the access to them is controlled." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #100

the man who killed my niece was not a career criminal. He was law abiding until he wasn't. CTyankee Apr 2014 #127

An anecdote is not the basis for law and I think your retelling of events is suspect. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #137

of course you don't believe me. And I don't care what you think. CTyankee Apr 2014 #147

Still waiting Major Nikon Apr 2014 #130

No you're not. You've been rebutted repeatedly you just ignore the facts. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #134

What facts have you offered? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #135

You yourself said Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #139

Mexico? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #141

"what someone else offered?" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #142

Universal background checks, and some form of registration - probably at the state, not federal nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #94

Interesting point. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #128

Yep, sad. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #49

Speaking strictly for myself... MicaelS Apr 2014 #68

The deaths, the injuries, the violence, and the accidents are simply part and parcel of the price we LanternWaste Apr 2014 #84

I have no problem with gun ownership in itself. It's the elevation of the firearm to a kind of holy nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #97

"guns solve everything" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #110

Not here, maybe. But that mentality does exist in the wider society - just look at the people who nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #119

I'm not following that at all. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #121

I mean how some people always, no matter what, take the side of the shooter. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #122

The holy relic part isn't guns, it's freedoms. From abortion to speech to guns The Straight Story Apr 2014 #115

I'm not opposed to gun ownership. All I want are background checks, some form of registration nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #120

Ok, The Straight Story Apr 2014 #124

So I think we're mostly on the same page, then. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #129

Makes sense. Good to have an intelligent discussion with someone on it :) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #138

Oh man, somebody open a window. XRubicon Apr 2014 #117

+1. (nt) Paladin Apr 2014 #123

For the most part, "both" sides seem to have the exact same argument. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #131

The posts in this thread perfectly illustrate the points made in the OP. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #143

I keep my firearms SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #151